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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: funda oral <fundaoral2003@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: SV: FW: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages<BR>To: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 9:02 AM<BR><BR>
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<P>Here is in turkish</P>
<P> </P>
<P>4p </P>
<P> </P>
<P>-gelen herkes doğru kişidir ( whoever comes...)</P>
<P>-basladığı zaman, doğru zamandır (time)</P>
<P>-bittiği zaman, bitmiştir ( when it ends)</P>
<P>-olmakta olan olabilecek tek şeydir ( whatever happens)</P>
<P> </P>
<P>L2F</P>
<P> </P>
<P>- bulunduğun yerde katkı sağlamıyorsan, sıkılıyorsan;</P>
<P> harekete geç, yer değiştir.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>regards</P>
<P>Funda</P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 5/20/08, Thomas Herrmann <I><thomas@openspaceconsulting.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Thomas Herrmann <thomas@openspaceconsulting.com><BR>Subject: SV: FW: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages<BR>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 11:29 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Hi - and thanks everyone
I've made the changes proposed to the German and French versions, and added
the English one. Still have some folks looking at different versions of Latvian
version.
The Portuguese as well as other versions are on Lisas site.
So I'll wait a little more and post the list that I collected again.
My sponsor called me today - and I let him know I've got all languages - he
was mighty impressed...! You are such resources
Best regards
Thomas
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Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] För Michael M Pannwitz
Skickat: den 20 maj 2008 17:34
Till: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Ämne: Re: FW: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages
I love this! Thomas, if you keep collecting all of this and adjust stuff
as suggested and then issue the "perfect" set in 10 languages (maybe
you
should add English as a sort of "reference" to the original) you will
enter the annals of Open Space or even the Open Space Paradise.
And will certainly be the only thing that could have/konnte/pouvait...
cheers
mmp
Diane Gibeault wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
>
>
> Here is the text for the law in French missing in your version and 2
modifications to the French principles to reflect the original English meaning
and to avoid gender exclusiveness. I am catching up on the recent list
messages, hope I am not too late with this contribution.
>
>
>
> The French has been modified, in our part of the world at least, on the
following:
>
>
>
> - the 3rd principle now reflects the English “could have”
with the word “pouvait”. The word “devait” you have in English means
What “should” happen instead of the actual What “could” happen. What
should happen has a whole different meaning than could and is incompatible with
the principle itself and OST as a whole. We used it too at the outset until a
participant pointed to the error. Subtleties are not always obvious.
>
>
>
> So it reads: Ce qui arrive est ce qui pouvait arriver
>
>
>
> (WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE)
>
>
>
> - Also to be more inclusive, the following wording of the 1st
principle circumvents the limitations of the gender of the French language;
also “se présentent” is a closer translation to “that show up” instead
of “participate” – a nuance: one may show up but not actively participate
in the discussion.
>
>
>
> “Les personnes qui se présentent sont les bonnes”.
>
>
>
> Here is the set of all the French principles with the above changes and
the law of the 2 feet or law of mobility:
>
>
>
> Les personnes qui se présentent sont les bonnes
>
> Ce qui arrive est la seule chose qui pouvait arriver
>
> Quand ça commence, c’est le bon moment
>
> Quand c’est fini, c’est fini
>
>
>
> La loi des deux pieds… « Si vous n’apprenez plus et ne contribuez
plus,
>
> passez à autre chose! »
>
>
>
> Diane
>
>
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas
Herrmann
> Sent: 20 mai 2008 06:17
> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages
>
>
>
> Dear friends in Open Space – it worked!
>
> Thanks
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> The four principles and the law in 10 languages:
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>
>
> FRENCH
>
>
>
> Quatre principes
>
> 1. Tous ceux qui participent sont les bonnes personnes
> WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PEOPLE
>
> 2. Quand cela commence c’est le bon moment
>
> WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME
>
> 3. Ce qui arrive est ce qui devait arriver
>
> WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE
>
> 4. Quand c’est fini c’est fini
>
> WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER
>
> The Law of two feet
>
> Loi des deux pieds ou loi des deux jambes
>
>
>
>
>
> ESTONIAN
>
>
>
> 1. Kohal on õiged inimesed
>
> WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PERSON
>
> 2. Kui see algab,on õige aeg
>
> WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME
>
> 3. Juhtuvad õiged asjad
>
> WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE
>
> 4. Kui see on läbi,siis see on läbi
>
> WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER
>
>
>
> The law of two feet
>
>
>
> KAHE JALA SEADUS - kui sa ei õpi ega ütle, astu edasi!
>
>
>
>
>
> SPANISH
>
>
>
> Los cuatro principios
>
> 1. Quien viene es quien debe venir
>
> 2. Comienza cuando es el tiempo
>
> 3. Lo que sucede es lo que debe suceder
>
> 4. Termina cuando termina
>
>
>
> La ley de los dos pies o Ley de la Movilidad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GERMAN
>
>
>
> Vier Grundsätze
>
>
>
> 1. Die da sind, sind genau die Richtigen.
>
> 2. Es fängt an, wenn die Zeit reif ist.
>
> 3. Was auch immer geschieht: Es ist das Einzige, was geschehen kann.
>
> 4. Vorbei ist vorbei - Nicht vorbei ist nicht vorbei.
>
>
>
> The law of two feet - Das Gesetz der zwei Füße (Fuesse)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ITALIAN
>
>
>
> 1. Chiunque venga è la persona giusta
>
> WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PERSON
>
> 2. In qualsiasi momento cominci è il momento giusto
>
> WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME
>
> 3. Qualsiasi cosa accada è l'unica che poteva accadere
>
> WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE
>
> 4. Quando è finita è finita
>
> WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER
>
>
>
> The law of two feet
>
> La legge dei due piede
>
>
>
>
>
> SERBIAN
>
>
>
> èetiri prinicipa (prinicipi)
>
> 1. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.
> Štagod da se desi, jedino je što se moglo desiti.
>
> 2. When it's over, it's over.
> Gotovo je kada je gotovo.
>
> 3. Whenever it starts is the right time.
> Kadgod da počne, to je u pravo vreme.
>
> 4. Whoever comes is the right people.
> Ko god da dođe, prava je osoba.
>
> The law of two feet - Zakon dva stopala
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RUSSIAN
>
>
>
> 4 Принципа
>
> 4 Principles
>
>
>
> 1. Кто бы ни пришел – это правильные
люди.
>
> Whoever comes…
>
>
>
> 2. Когда бы это ни началось – это
правильное время
>
> Whenever it starts…
>
>
>
> 3. Что бы ни случилось - это
единственное, что может произойти
>
> Whatever happens,,,
>
>
>
> 4. Когда он закончится – тогда и
закончится
>
> When it’s over…
>
>
>
>
> ЗАКОН ДВУХ НОГ
>
>
> Law of two feet
>
>
>
> Если вы обнаружите, что оказались в
ситуациях, где вы не можете чему-либо
научиться или сделать какой-либо вклад, вы
ответственны за то, чтобы перейти в другое
место, например, в другую группу.
>
>
>
> If you find yourself in a situation where you cannot learn nor make a
contribution…
>
>
>
> LITHUANIAN
>
> Four Principles – keturi dėsniai
>
> WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PEOPLE – KAS ATEINA YRA TINKAMI ŽMONĖS
>
> WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME – KADA PRASIDEDA, TADA IR TURI
PRASIDĖTI
>
> WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE – KAS BEATSITIKTŲ,
TIK TAI IR GALI ATSITIKTI
>
> WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER – KADA BAIGIASI, TADA BAIGIASI
>
>
>
> The law of two feet – DVIEJŲ PĖDŲ DĖSNIS
>
>
>
>
> LATVIAN
>
> Principles:
>
>
>
> 1. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.
>
> 1. Kasvien nenotiks ir vienīgais kas notikt varēja.
>
>
>
> 2. When it's over, it's over.
>
> 2. Kad tas ir cauri, tas ir cauri.
>
>
>
>
>
> 3. Whenever it starts is the right time.
>
> 3. Prieks sākšanas veinmēr ir pareiz laiks.
>
>
>
> 4. Whoever comes is the right people.
>
> 4. Katrs atnācējs (kas piedalās) ir ielūgts.
>
>
>
> The law of two feet
>
> Divu kāju likums:
>
>
>
> SWEDISH
>
> FYRA PRINCIPER
> Vilka som än kommer är rätt personer
> Vad som än händer är det enda som kunde hända
> När det än börjar är det rätt tid
> När det är slut så är det slut
>
> En lag: Använd fötterna
>
>
>
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