<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' ><tr><td style='font: inherit;'>Wow, almost sounds like "it works if you work it." Keep coming back...<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 5/9/08, Harrison Owen <I><hhowen@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><BR>Subject: Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma<BR>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 4:39 AM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Christine wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"> “</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Beyond the "meeting" the principles of Open Space guide our life and work. I find that those who engage in Open Space appreciate the principles as much as they do the process.”</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Which might suggest, Christine, that all of life is open space. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Christine Whitney Sanchez<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 09, 2008 1:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Beyond the "meeting" the principles of Open Space guide our life and work.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Calibri color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"> I find that those who engage in Open Space appreciate the principles as much as they do the process.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Omitting mention of the 4 Principles certainly can be done, but I am not sure that would change things in any substantial way. The reason being that the Principles are descriptive as opposed to prescriptive. In short, they will happen anyway, mentioned or not. However, one might reasonably ask – why state the obvious? My reason has always been that keeping the principles in mind seems to ease the way in Open Space.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jack Martin Leith<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:16 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for your thoughts on my <Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma> post.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Has OS become arthritic? And are certain Open Space practitioners becoming dogmatic?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I've been to two gatherings of OS practitioners, both held in London (I was the co-creator of the first one) and anyone wandering in from the street would probably have thought they were witnessing a meeting of a religious group or a cult.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At the second of these gatherings, structured along "Open Space on Open Space" lines, Paul Levy led a session that challenged the four principles of Open Space, and was shot down in flames by a number of people.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And a year ago he advertised, on this very email list, a workshop with a similar theme to the one he and I are running in Brighton next week, and received from a prominent OS practitioner what ca bes be described as hate mail.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for your invitation to share more of my thoughts. You can find plenty of them here <A href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=191" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=191</A> and here <A href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=192" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=192</A>, along with some thoughts expressed by people beyond this list. The purpose of the 14 May workshop is to discover what other people think.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My aim (I can't speak for Paul) is not for 'better' space at meetings, but for a process which is most likely to deliver the desired results. Which results? Those that will generate as much value as possible for as many parts of the stakeholder system as possible. I don't see myself as a process facilitator, but rather as a results facilitator. As in midwifery, a healthy mother and baby are the first priority. The process has to serve the results. My personal preference is for natural methods, but I keep forceps in my back pocket and a scalpel in a glass box, for emergency use only.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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