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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=굴림 size=2><SPAN class=125064612-05052008>Hi
Jack,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=굴림 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008>Happy to meet you
here.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008>My understanding of OST has been that </SPAN>The
Law of Two Feet invite<SPAN class=125064612-05052008>s</SPAN> us to pratice our
freedom to move according to our conscious yet intuitive sense of what is good
for all in <SPAN class=125064612-05052008>ever-expanding context
of</SPAN> time and space at the moment.
</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN class=125064612-05052008>Journey of
consciousness for me has been t</SPAN>ranscend<SPAN class=125064612-05052008>ing
my</SPAN> experience in a context of awesome and mysterious human existence<SPAN
class=125064612-05052008>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN class=125064612-05052008>Some fellow OST
practitioners may go and wander vast space of their experience that
happens in their consciousness and I think that tells us OST might be quite
distant from many dogmas of all times. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN class=125064612-05052008>It is to liberate
us. Not to enslave us under any dogma. So if it
bring results otherwise I would rather think something has
gone wrong in the way it is practiced.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN class=125064612-05052008>All the
best,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=굴림><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125064612-05052008>spark</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jack Martin
Leith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Open Space 2.0 - Beyond
the Dogma<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hiya Tree.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your thoughts on my <Open Space 2.0 - Beyond the Dogma>
post.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Has OS become arthritic? And are certain Open Space practitioners
becoming dogmatic?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here in the UK the answer is "yes".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I've been to two gatherings of OS practitioners, both held in London (I was
the co-creator of the first one) and anyone wandering in from the
street would probably have thought they were witnessing a meeting of a religious
group or a cult.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At the second of these gatherings, structured along "Open Space on Open
Space" lines, Paul Levy led a session that challenged the four principles of
Open Space, and was shot down in flames by a number of people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And a year ago he advertised, on this very email list, a workshop with
a similar theme to the one he and I are running in Brighton next week, and
received from a prominent OS practitioner what ca bes be described as hate
mail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your invitation to share more of my thoughts. You can find
plenty of them here <A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=191">www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=191</A>
and here <A
href="http://www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=192">www.jackmartinleith.com/?p=192</A>,
along with some thoughts expressed by people beyond this list. The purpose of
the 14 May workshop is to discover what other people think.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My aim (I can't speak for Paul) is not for 'better' space at meetings,
but for a process which is most likely to deliver the desired results. Which
results? Those that will generate as much value as possible for as many parts of
the stakeholder system as possible. I don't see myself as a process
facilitator, but rather as a results facilitator. As in midwifery, a healthy
mother and baby are the first priority. The process has to serve the results. My
personal preference is for natural methods, but I keep forceps in my back pocket
and a scalpel in a glass box, for emergency use only.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you'd like to take part in the discussion through Skype, the user name
is <rationalmadness> and the timing is 1400 to 1600 British Summer Time,
which is one hour ahead of GMT.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack Martin Leith<BR>Bristol, United Kingdom<BR>Mobile: 07831 840541 (+44
7831 840541)<BR>Skype: jackmartinleith<BR>Facebook: <A
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/5/4 Tree Fitzpatrick <<A
href="mailto:therese.fitzpatrick@gmail.com">therese.fitzpatrick@gmail.com</A>>:<BR>
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d>On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Jack Martin Leith <<A
href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com"
target=_blank>jack@jackmartinleith.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Hiya Harrison.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Happy that you're not offended by our undertaking!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Maybe it's different on your side of the pond, but Paul and I have
both, separately, noticed the worrying extent to which OS certainly has
become a dogma over here, sometimes along with the words "Harrison Owen"
says. (I must put my hand up to having done that many times.) We both feel
that OS has become somewhat arthritic, and overdue for a
rethink.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Open Space Technology is what it is. Right? How can it
become arthritic? I am challenged by your suggestion but I hope you
don't perceive that I am challenging you. I am genuinely puzzled.
I would welcome more of you thoughts, perhaps some examples of how OS is
changing?<BR><BR>How can OS 'become' anything? It is what it
is.<BR><BR>I am wondering if, when you suggest that it is due for a 'rethink',
perhaps you are seeing something else, or striving to see something else.
Perhaps you have a (inchoate?) yearning for, please forgive me, 'better' space
at meetings.<BR><BR>I don't have Harrison's depth of experience opening
sepace, but I wholeheartedly agree with what he says about 'second generation
open space'. When in doubt, open more space and if opening more space
brings me to a place of doing nothing, well, for me, then I know I'm doing it
right.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> </DIV>
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<DIV>What you say is perfectly true, and I agree wholeheartedly ... although
I'm personaly keen on conversation that precipitates action ... but all too
often it's very different on the ground.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Big thanks for your support and encouragement. We'll keep you posted.
Steve the Doc has already signed up for the Skype option.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Very best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack Martin Leith<BR>Bristol, United Kingdom<BR>Mobile: 07831 840541
(+44 7831 840541)<BR>Skype: jackmartinleith<BR>Facebook: <A
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/4/30 Harrison Owen <<A
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target=_blank>hhowen@verizon.net</A>>:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sounds like a
marvelous under taking, but I am not sure about all this "Dogma" business.
Dogma in my lexicon is a whole bunch of stuff that you have to do/believe.
My experience with OST is that it is all about thinking of one more thing
NOT to do – or believe. The end of the line, or indeed the next iteration,
would involve doing nothing at all, and where "belief" translated into
pure experience. You were just "there" in that present moment being fully
what you (we) already were – full, conscious, passionate, responsible
human beings. My experience with most of the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> Generation
Open Spaces is that they seem to involve more and different doing and
believing. To my eyes this seems to be going in the wrong direction. But
what do I know? Have fun!!</SPAN></FONT></P>
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