<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Jack Martin Leith <<a href="mailto:jack@jackmartinleith.com">jack@jackmartinleith.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Hiya Harrison.</div>
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<div>Happy that you're not offended by our undertaking!</div>
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<div>Maybe it's different on your side of the pond, but Paul and I have both, separately, noticed the worrying extent to which OS certainly has become a dogma over here, sometimes along with the words "Harrison Owen" says. (I must put my hand up to having done that many times.) We both feel that OS has become somewhat arthritic, and overdue for a rethink.</div>
</blockquote><div><br>Open Space Technology is what it is. Right? How can it become arthritic? I am challenged by your suggestion but I hope you don't perceive that I am challenging you. I am genuinely puzzled. I would welcome more of you thoughts, perhaps some examples of how OS is changing?<br>
<br>How can OS 'become' anything? It is what it is.<br><br>I am wondering if, when you suggest that it is due for a 'rethink', perhaps you are seeing something else, or striving to see something else. Perhaps you have a (inchoate?) yearning for, please forgive me, 'better' space at meetings.<br>
<br>I don't have Harrison's depth of experience opening sepace, but I wholeheartedly agree with what he says about 'second generation open space'. When in doubt, open more space and if opening more space brings me to a place of doing nothing, well, for me, then I know I'm doing it right.<br>
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<div>What you say is perfectly true, and I agree wholeheartedly ... although I'm personaly keen on conversation that precipitates action ... but all too often it's very different on the ground.</div>
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<div>Big thanks for your support and encouragement. We'll keep you posted. Steve the Doc has already signed up for the Skype option.</div>
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<div>Very best,</div>
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<div>Jack</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2008/4/30 Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>:<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
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<p><font color="red" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Sounds like a marvelous under taking, but I am not sure about all this "Dogma" business. Dogma in my lexicon is a whole bunch of stuff that you have to do/believe. My experience with OST is that it is all about thinking of one more thing NOT to do – or believe. The end of the line, or indeed the next iteration, would involve doing nothing at all, and where "belief" translated into pure experience. You were just "there" in that present moment being fully what you (we) already were – full, conscious, passionate, responsible human beings. My experience with most of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Generation Open Spaces is that they seem to involve more and different doing and believing. To my eyes this seems to be going in the wrong direction. But what do I know? Have fun!!</span></font></p>
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