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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: OSLIST automatic digest system <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU> <BR><BR>> There are 19 messages totalling 6336 lines in this issue. <BR>> <BR>> Topics of the day: <BR>> <BR>> 1. Thoughts on a Town Crier (9) <BR>> 2. Bells, town criers, climate <BR>> 3. Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers (6) <BR>> 4. SV: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> 5. SV: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> 6. open space-time <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archiv
es/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:53:46 +0600 <BR>> From: TYASTO <TYASTO@SAPA.NSK.SU><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand <BR>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C856B4.E206AF10 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> <BR>> Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others! <BR>> <BR>> I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of the <BR>> world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different <BR>> categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the Siberian <BR>> Academy for Public Administrati
on (SAPA). It's written in their program as <BR>> Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come to us for 3 <BR>> and often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes for each item: <BR>> Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into the circle), 2 <BR>> sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some time for <BR>> reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As I call it <BR>> Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great majority of our <BR>> participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we have a very <BR>> short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to have <BR>> conversations about issues and opportunities of How to improve their work. <BR>> In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while they are <BR>> sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling them what they <BR>> can do and everything is OK even to go away
if they don't like it ( in this <BR>> case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all will be <BR>> butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always everywhere, some <BR>> people begin to write the topics and all works well. When people at the <BR>> Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I wish them <BR>> all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and go out. But then <BR>> I usually come back at the time of change between sessions to see if they do <BR>> it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometimes little bit later <BR>> than on the schedule. But their shock of freedom is so big and they have <BR>> such a fun talking in their first groups and leaders of the second sessions <BR>> are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to take the lead <BR>> and say - now it is time for the second session or they miss it at all. I do <BR>> the same as "Town crier", sayi
ng - it's time for the second session, but <BR>> it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or not. I agree <BR>> with Elena that when we have such short time we have to encourage them to <BR>> take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes they come all into one <BR>> big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is high, they have <BR>> great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the reports. <BR>> I learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they want during this 2 <BR>> or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the best in our <BR>> 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. Each time <BR>> somebody says "I will do it at my working place". I give them short written <BR>> instructions. <BR>> What else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it every time - <BR>> have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a 3 minutes <BR>> sand-g
lass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to ask <BR>> questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the principle "When <BR>> it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs additional discussion. <BR>> Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 weeks course <BR>> this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see the results <BR>> of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say that they <BR>> learnt more from each other than from all their other classes. <BR>> You will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type them and <BR>> give them back to take home with them as tangible "Collective wisdom", <BR>> because it's no other way yet - they don't have access to computers. <BR>> So, you see, we really do some more things than you and probably do it in a <BR>> different way. But I realized that even 2 hours in open space is more <BR>> powerful than two week
s of passive learning from teachers. That is why I try <BR>> to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible group. The <BR>> shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, where we all <BR>> worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions and closing. If <BR>> i don't have much time for closing I send the bell and ask people to say one <BR>> word or two. It's always positive and inspiring. I believe that we have <BR>> homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through these short <BR>> OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard about a workshop <BR>> which is must to participate". We help people to feel happier, more <BR>> self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the bell helps us to <BR>> do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian bells <BR>> work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come and move it. <BR>> With warm greetings
from cold Siberia, <BR>> <BR>> Marina Tyasto <BR>> tyasto@sapa.nsk.su <mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su><BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Elena Marchuk [mailto:marco@mail.nsk.ru] <BR>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM <BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dear Peggy, <BR>> I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work as they care, <BR>> but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several time I missed <BR>> the time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people are just <BR>> seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to give them a <BR>> 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and will have time to 'spread' <BR>> time for another quant of session, I would probably do, but I'm affraid, may <BR>> be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would have just no <BR>> t
ime for the next session, so I usualy ring, though say in opening, that it <BR>> is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town Crier, as you <BR>> say... <BR>> <BR>> thank you for the question <BR>> warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun shining :) <BR>> <BR>> elena marchuk <BR>> novosibirsk <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Peggy Holman <mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com><BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM <BR>> Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions over <BR>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>> always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone telling <BR>> them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> interests.
I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> <BR>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot but <BR>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that he <BR>> was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started. He came to <BR>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it out <BR>> for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets <BR>> people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who <BR>> have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> does - telling people when i
t is time to start the next session. I realized <BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were probably <BR>> enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> <BR>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, "It's <BR>> 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to do <BR>> -- providing information without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> <BR>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his perspective. <BR>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are part <BR>> of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care what <BR>> they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> description of what he does. <BR>> <BR>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> something
like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> <BR>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> Peggy <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> Peggy Holman <BR>> The Open Circle Company <BR>> 15347 SE 49th Place <BR>> Bellevue, WA 98006 <BR>> (425) 746-6274 <BR>> <BR>> www.opencirclecompany.com <HTTP: www.opencirclecompany.com><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: <BR>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook <BR>> <HTTP: ChangeHandbook www.bkconnection.com><BR>> <BR>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, <BR>> is to become <BR>> the fire". <BR>> -- Drew Dellinger <BR>> * * ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, <BR>> unsubscribe, change your options, view the archive
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<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dear <BR>> Peggy, Michael, Elena and others!</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <BR>> size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff <BR>> size=2>I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of <BR>> the world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different <BR>> categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the Siberian <BR>> Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's written in their program as <BR>> Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come to us for 3 and <BR>> often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes for each <BR>> item: Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into the <BR>> circle), 2 sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some <BR>> time for reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As I call <BR>> it Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great majority of our <BR>> participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we have a ve
ry <BR>> short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to have conversations <BR>> about issues and opportunities of How to improve their work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In <BR>> first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while they are sitting in <BR>> the circle and facilitator going inside telling them what they can do and <BR>> everything is OK even to go away if they don't like it ( in this case it is <BR>> voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all will be butterflies <BR>> today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always everywhere, some people begin to <BR>> write the topics and all works well. When people at the Market place are trying <BR>> to realize what to do and where to go I wish them all well and say when we will <BR>> meet again in the circle and go out. But then I usually come back at the time of <BR>> change between sessions to see if they do it or not. Sometimes they can do <BR>> it themselves, sometimes little bit later than on the schedule. But their <BR>> shock of freedom is so big a
nd they have such a fun talking in their first <BR>> groups and leaders of the second sessions are too weak to break it, that mostly <BR>> they expect someone to take the lead and say - now it is time for the second <BR>> session or they miss it at all. I do the same as "Town crier", saying - it's <BR>> time for the second session, but it's up to you what you are doing now. Then <BR>> they can move or not. I agree with Elena that when we have such short time we <BR>> have to encourage them to take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes <BR>> they come all into one big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy <BR>> is high, they have great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the <BR>> reports. </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I <BR>> learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they want during this <BR>> 2 or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the best in our 2 <BR>> weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. Each time somebody <BR>> says "I will do it at my working place". I give them <BR>> short written instructions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What <BR>> else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it every time - <BR>> have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a 3 minutes <BR>> sand-glass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to ask <BR>> questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the principle "When <BR>> it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs additional discussion. <BR>> Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 weeks course this <BR>> sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see the results of their <BR>> work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say that they learnt more <BR>> from each other than from all their other classes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You <BR>> will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type them and give them <BR>> back to take home with them as tangible "Collective wisdom", because it's no <BR>> other way yet - they don't have access to computers. </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=453460412-14012008><FONT <BR>> face=Arial color=#0000ff> So, you see, we really do some more things than <BR>> you and probably do it in a different way. But I realized that even 2 hours <BR>> in open space is more powerful than two weeks of passive learning from teachers. <BR>> That is why I try to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible <BR>> group. The shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, <BR>> where we all worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions <BR>> and closing. If i don't have much time for closing I send the bell and ask <BR>> people to say one word or two. It's always positive and inspiring. I believe <BR>> that we have homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through <BR>> these short OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard about a <BR>> workshop which is must to participate"
. We help people to feel happier, <BR>> more self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the bell helps <BR>> us to do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian bells <BR>> work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come and move <BR>> it.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008>With warm greetings from cold <BR>> Siberia,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008>Marina Tyasto</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008><A <BR>> href="mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su">tyasto@sapa.nsk.su</A></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DI <BR>> V> <BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN <BR>> class=453460412-14012008> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <BR>> Elena Marchuk [mailto:marco@mail.nsk.ru]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 14, <BR>> 2008 8:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: <BR>> Thoughts on a Town Crier<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT><BR>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Peggy,</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let <BR>> participants to work as they care, but most OSs I provide are very limited in <BR>> time, and several time I missed the time by chance (though not much...) I <BR>> could see, that people are just seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I <BR>> had the time to give them a 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and <BR>> will have time to 'spread' time for another quant of session, I would probably <BR>> do, but I'm affraid, may be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that <BR>> we would have just no time for the next session, so I usualy ring, though say <BR>> in opening, that it is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town <BR>> Crier, as you say...</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thank you for the question</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, <BR>> though sun shining :)</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>elena marchuk</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>novosibirsk</FONT></DIV><BR>>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><BR>>
<DIV <BR>> style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: <BR>> black"><B>From:</B> <BR>> <A title=peggy@opencirclecompany.com <BR>> href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com">Peggy Holman</A> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A <BR>> title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> <BR>> href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A> <BR>> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 <BR>> PM</DIV><BR>>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Thoughts on a Town Crier</DIV><BR>>
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<DIV>Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions <BR>> over the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way <BR>> that I always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone <BR>> telling them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms <BR>> and interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually <BR>> forget. Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on.</DIV><BR>>
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<DIV>I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS <BR>> a lot but wanted to be able to really participate in this <BR>> one. He told me that he was a little surprised when <BR>> the first round of breakout sessions was starting that I didn't tell people <BR>> it was time to get started. He came to me when the <BR>> first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going <BR>> to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him that I never <BR>> did that. The participants were adults and could figure it out for <BR>> themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always <BR>> lets people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and <BR>> more people who have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many <BR>> practitioners doing what Jon does - telling people when it is time to start <BR>> the next ses
sion. I realized that since most of these folks came at <BR>> Jon's invitation, they were probably enculturated to responding to a <BR>> bell. </DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV>So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, <BR>> "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist <BR>> thing to do -- providing information without attachment to how <BR>> people used it.</DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV>I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, like the <BR>> session start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding the <BR>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. So, <BR>> it strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he does.</DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV>Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one <BR>> doing something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on <BR>> providing information that marks the passage of time.</DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV>from sunny (for a change) Seattle,</DIV><BR>>
<DIV>Peggy</DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV>________________________________<BR>Peggy Holman<BR>The Open Circle <BR>> Company<BR>15347 SE 49th Place<BR>Bellevue, WA 98006<BR>(425) 746-6274 <BR>> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>>
<DIV><A <BR>> href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com">www.opencirclecompany.com</A></DIV><BR>>
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<DIV><BR>For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: <BR><A <BR>> <BR>> href="http://www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook">www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHan <BR>> dbook</A> <BR>> </DIV><BR>>
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<DIV>"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get <BR>> burnt, is to become <BR>the fire".<BR> -- Drew Dellinger</DIV>* * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, <BR>> unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <BR>> oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about <BR>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> </BLOCKQUOTE>* * ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To subscribe, <BR>> unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <BR>> oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about <BR>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.
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BR>> <BR>> Interesting example of how we show up, even in small things, communicates <BR>> big time values and believes. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Even a Town crier to me is the continuation of the "culture of dependency " <BR>> Open Space is wanting us and helping us get away from. It's nourishing the <BR>> old mental model that the participants can't do it by themselves but the <BR>> people that know (authorities including the facilitator) can do it best. It <BR>> sustains the thinking that participants need a mom to remind them. So they <BR>> will not only be dependant on time but will continue in this frame of mind <BR>> on many other aspects of the meeting. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I let people self manage around time - other than having a schedule posted <BR>> on a flip chart like Harrison had in his first edition of his Users' Guide. <BR>> Participants tell me later on that they like having no one - no form of boss <BR>&g
t; even a nice facilitator - telling them what to do. It really sends a clear <BR>> message we are encouraging self-organization and more importantly, that we <BR>> value them we value trust and show it by actually trusting them. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> It also makes room for the leadership to emerge from the group: the small <BR>> and big task of reminding colleagues it's time to start is an opportunity <BR>> for someone to take a special step in the group they belong to. It's also an <BR>> occasion to add to the quality of their relationships. Doing it for <BR>> participants, takes away from them, those opportunities for learning and <BR>> being. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> It's been working for over 10 years for me. Harrison said about OST: it's <BR>> not the techniques of OST that are hard to learn, it's letting go. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Diane <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSL
IST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peggy <BR>> Holman <BR>> Sent: 13 janvier 2008 12:23 <BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions over <BR>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>> always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone telling <BR>> them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot but <BR>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that he <BR>> was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> starting that I didn't
tell people it was time to get started. He came to <BR>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it out <BR>> for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets <BR>> people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who <BR>> have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I realized <BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were probably <BR>> enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, "It's <BR>> 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to do <BR>> -- providing information with
out attachment to how people used it. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his perspective. <BR>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are part <BR>> of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care what <BR>> they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> description of what he does. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> <BR>> Peggy <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> Peggy Holman <BR>> The Open Circle Company <BR>> 15347 SE 49th Place <
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; <BR>> color:#1F497D'>Interesting example of how we show up, even in small = <BR>> things, communicates <BR>> big time values and believes. <?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; <BR>> color:#1F497D'>Even a Town crier to me is the continuation of the = <BR>> culture <BR>> of dependency Open Space is wanting us and helping us get away = <BR>> from. Its <BR>> nourishing the old mental model that the participants cant do it = <BR>> by themselves <BR>> but the people that know (authorities including the facilitator) can do = <BR>> it best. <BR>> It sustains the thinking that participants need a mom to remind them. = <BR>> So <BR>> they will not only be dependant on time but will continue in this frame = <BR>> of mind <BR>> on many other aspects of the meeting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; <BR>> color:#1F497D'>I let people self manage around time other than = <BR>> having a <BR>> schedule posted on a flip chart like Harrison had in his first edition = <BR>> of his Users <BR>> Guide. Participants tell me later on that they like having no one - no = <BR>> form of <BR>> boss even a nice facilitator - telling them what to do. It really sends = <BR>> a clear <BR>> message we are encouraging self-organization and more importantly, that = <BR>> we value <BR>> them we value trust and show it by actually trusting them. = <BR>> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; <BR>> color:#1F497D'>It also makes room for the leadership to emerge from the = <BR>> group: the <BR>> small and big task of reminding colleagues its time to start is = <BR>> an <BR>> opportunity for someone to take a special step in the group they belong = <BR>> to. Its <BR>> also an occasion to add to the quality of their relationships. = <BR>> Doing it <BR>> for participants, takes away from them, those opportunities for learning = <BR>> and <BR>> being.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; <BR>> color:#1F497D'>Its been working for over 10 years for me. = <BR>> Harrison said <BR>> about OST: its not the techniques of OST that are hard to learn, = <BR>> its <BR>> letting go.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>Has anyone noticed more milling about before people = <BR>> move <BR>> into sessions over the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of = <BR>> a <BR>> trend this way that I always intend to explicitly tell people that there = <BR>> won't <BR>> be anyone telling them when to move, that it is up to them to follow = <BR>> their own <BR>> rhythms and interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I <BR>> usually forget. Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is = <BR>> going on.<o:p></o:p></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about = <BR>> 50. <BR>> He uses OS a lot but wanted to be able to really participate in this <BR>> one. He told me that he was a little surprised = <BR>> when the <BR>> first round of breakout sessions was starting that I didn't tell people = <BR>> it was <BR>> time to get started. He came to me when the first = <BR>> round <BR>> after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going to ring = <BR>> a bell <BR>> and let people know? I basically told him that I never did = <BR>> that. <BR>> The participants were adults and could figure it out for = <BR>> themselves. He <BR>> was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets people = <BR>> know. <BR>> And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who have <BR>> experienced OS. Perhaps there are many pr
actitioners doing what = <BR>> Jon does <BR>> - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I = <BR>> realized <BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were = <BR>> probably <BR>> enculturated to responding to a bell. <o:p></o:p></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and = <BR>> rang a bell, <BR>> saying, "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town = <BR>> crier was <BR>> a minimalist thing to do -- providing information without = <BR>> attachment <BR>> to how people used it.<o:p></o:p></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to = <BR>> understand <BR>> his perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, like the <BR>> session start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding = <BR>> the <BR>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. = <BR>> So, it <BR>> strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he = <BR>> does.<o:p></o:p></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon = <BR>> isn't the <BR>> only one doing something like this. I'd love to hear other = <BR>> thoughts on <BR>> providing information that marks the passage of time.<o:p></o:p></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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in the topic they <BR>> have started and are pursuing, then "whatever happens..." in a <BR>> self-organizing fashion is how I have always seen things. Which reinforces <BR>> my "laziness". <BR>> <BR>> Sometimes, they just keep going but transmogrify into the other topic or <BR>> topics on the wall anyway. They often seem interrelated -0 understandable <BR>> that the group has some commonality of purpose and origin if it is a company <BR>> group, obviously. <BR>> <BR>> So far, I have never heard - in the closing circle of such groups - anyone <BR>> jumping up and down about "we should have been told the time". I think they <BR>> get that the responsibility rests with them, especially if they are a repeat <BR>> Open Space group. <BR>> <BR>> My 2-cent's worth of observation-experience, I guess. <BR>> <BR>> Cheers and blessings, BRIAN <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Fr Brian S. Bainbridge <BR>> 0412 111 525 <BR>> <BR>> Sk
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I guess I am = <BR>> lazy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I really have never used any form = <BR>> of <BR>> time-keeping or time-crying.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Even in short events, I reckon if = <BR>> people <BR>> are so wrapped up in the topic they have started and are pursuing, then = <BR>> whatever <BR>> happens
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sometimes, they just keep going but <BR>> transmogrify into the other topic or topics on the wall anyway. They = <BR>> often seem <BR>> interrelated -0 understandable that the group has some commonality of = <BR>> purpose <BR>> and origin if it is a company group, = <BR>> obviously.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So far, I have never heard = <BR>> in the <BR>> closing circle of such groups anyone jumping up and down about = <BR>> we <BR>> should have been told the time. I think they get that the = <BR>> responsibility <BR>> rests with them, especially if they are a repeat Open Space = <BR>> group.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My 2-cents worth of = <BR>> observation-experience, <BR>> I guess.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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sive tape rolled together and <BR>> stuck to the backside (a chewing gum might do the trick, too)...the <BR>> point is, it needs to be movable. <BR>> Constructing this time arrow is one of the tasks in setting up an open <BR>> space as described in the set of task cards...usually team members get <BR>> into a fight over who gets to do that task. The word "now" (in German <BR>> "jetzt", which by the way is a wonderful old word containing both the <BR>> roots for "now" and "eternity", a real open space word)is written on <BR>> both sides of the arrow so that the arrow can point either to the right <BR>> or to the left. As I said, hi tech. <BR>> In the following link you see the time arrow being used in a <BR>> German/Russian open space with both languages shown on the time arrow <BR>> > http://www.boscop.org/page/show/100 <BR>> <BR>> Have fun <BR>> mmp <BR>> <BR>> Elena Marchuk wrote: <BR>> > Hi Michael, thank you for the id
ea, <BR>> > I love it and will think, how to do it on my time/place schedule <BR>> > and wonder, what do you mean by cardboard arrow? <BR>> > is it magnetic? <BR>> > as usually I have just space near the blackboard, which I use to be free <BR>> > for posters, and it is just for one flip-chart paper and no space for a <BR>> > sort of one-arrow watch, which I thought first of... so it could be an <BR>> > arrow just over the words : session1, session 2 - which would need a big <BR>> > arrow....sorry, and happy, I have fun with thinking about this <BR>> > take care <BR>> > and best wishes in a Happy New Year, today in Russia is an OLD (ortodox) <BR>> > Happy New Year, so we have 2 of them and very happy to celibrate <BR>> > everything twice (our Christas was on January, 7:) <BR>> > elena marchuk <BR>> > novosibirsk <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael M P
annwitz" <BR>> > <MMPANNE@BOSCOP.ORG><BR>> > To: <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:14 AM <BR>> > Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >> Dear Peggy, <BR>> >> I have never seen anybody in these parts do what Jon does. <BR>> >> That might have different reasons such as the many training events and <BR>> >> local OSonOS people have participated in... <BR>> >> What is done here a lot and I always do it, is to have a detailed <BR>> >> schedule posted on a large flipchart complete with a time arrow (a <BR>> >> little red cardboard arrow with the word "now" written on it). When <BR>> >> introducing the schedule to the group I also point out the function of <BR>> >> the arrow...me or another team member and often participants <BR>> >> themselves move the arrow as the event progresses. My line is: In case
<BR>> >> you lose track of time or wonder what is next just walk up to the <BR>> >> schedule and have a look at the arrow. <BR>> >> Of course, sometimes people come up to me and ask about beginning <BR>> >> times, my response is to just point to the schedule...I would hate to <BR>> >> add a town crier to my repertoire seems it would be one more thing to <BR>> >> do and one chance for selforganisation and selfmanagement taken away. <BR>> >> Here is a few links to show examples of schedules with the time arrow <BR>> >>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/102 <BR>> >>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/99 <BR>> >>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/100 <BR>> >>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/101 <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Have a great day in Seattle! <BR>> >> Greetings from Berlin <BR>> >> mmp <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>>
; >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Peggy Holman wrote: <BR>> >>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into <BR>> >>> sessions over the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a <BR>> >>> trend this way that I always intend to explicitly tell people that <BR>> >>> there won't be anyone telling them when to move, that it is up to <BR>> >>> them to follow their own rhythms and interests. I haven't quite <BR>> >>> internalized this yet, so I usually forget. Anyway, I think I may <BR>> >>> have figured out what is going on. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a <BR>> >>> lot but wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He <BR>> >>> told me that he was a little surprised when the first round of <BR>> >>> breakout sessions was starting that I didn't t
ell people it was time <BR>> >>> to get started. He came to me when the first round after lunch were <BR>> >>> scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going to ring a bell and let <BR>> >>> people know? I basically told him that I never did that. The <BR>> >>> participants were adults and could figure it out for themselves. He <BR>> >>> was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets people know. <BR>> >>> And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who have <BR>> >>> experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> >>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I <BR>> >>> realized that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, <BR>> >>> they were probably enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and ra
ng a bell, saying, <BR>> >>> "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist <BR>> >>> thing to do -- providing information without attachment to how people <BR>> >>> used it. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> >>> perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, like the session <BR>> >>> start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding the <BR>> >>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> >>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. So, it <BR>> >>> strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he does. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> >>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> >&
gt;> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, Peggy <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> ________________________________ Peggy Holman The Open Circle Company <BR>> >>> 15347 SE 49th Place Bellevue, WA 98006 (425) 746-6274 <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> www.opencirclecompany.com <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: <BR>> >>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get <BR>> >>> burnt, is to become the fire". -- Drew Dellinger <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> * * ========================================================== <BR>> >>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To <BR>> >>> subscribe, unsubscribe,
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<BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:30:19 -0500 <BR>> From: Harrison Owen <HHOWEN@VERIZON.NET><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <BR>> <BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C85698.79648E30 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="US-ASCII" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Ringing Bells for sessions. <BR>> <BR>> =
20 <BR>> <BR>> I guess I can understand why you might be tempted in a short Open Space = <BR>> with <BR>> short sessions, but even then my feeling is that is a temptation to be <BR>> resisted. Part of this is the whole question of participants really = <BR>> taking <BR>> responsibility for what they care about - including the consequences of <BR>> either not caring or caring in a different way. But the real reason is a <BR>> deep feeling on my part that the essential task of the facilitator is to <BR>> create the optimal conditions under which the self-organizing system = <BR>> (the <BR>> group of participants) can function most effectively. It is NOT about <BR>> keeping things "on time," except for the start, and maybe the ending. = <BR>> For <BR>> whatever it is worth, I always make best effort to start "on time" - not <BR>> that it always works out that way.:-) And when it comes to the ending, I <BR>> feel the obligation to at l
east point out to folks that the official = <BR>> closing <BR>> time has arrived so that those who have some necessity to leave (planes = <BR>> to <BR>> catch etc) can do so. But in between beginning and ending it is all open <BR>> space, or should I say open time? <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> My learnings have been that self-organizing systems quickly generate = <BR>> their <BR>> own sense of time, which has little to do with the passage of hands over = <BR>> a <BR>> clock face, and everything to do with the flow or activity. Every group = <BR>> will <BR>> perceive this somewhat differently, and who am I to say what is a long = <BR>> time <BR>> or short time. Point is -- it is "their time," determined by their own = <BR>> sense <BR>> of need, accomplishment and ultimately the flow of their engagement. I = <BR>> can <BR>> never know how long people will require for a particular conversation, = <BR>> and I <BR>> thi
nk we have all been surprised how much can actually be accomplished = <BR>> in a <BR>> few moments when things are really flowing. Inserting "arbitrary" time <BR>> breaks interrupts that flow. "Arbitrary" in the sense that they are <BR>> determined by an external timetable (our schedule) as opposed to the <BR>> emergent and internal sense of time which the group creates for itself. = <BR>> To <BR>> me this is "organizing a self-organizing system," which in addition to = <BR>> being <BR>> an oxymoron, usually turns out badly or at least awkwardly. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Harrison <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Harrison Owen <BR>> <BR>> 7808 River Falls Drive <BR>> <BR>> Potomac, Maryland 20854 <BR>> <BR>> Phone 301-365-2093 <BR>> <BR>> Skype hhowen <BR>> <BR>> Open Space Training <HTTP: www.openspaceworld.com />= <BR>> www.openspaceworld.com <BR>> <BR>&
gt; <BR>> Open Space Institute <HTTP: www.openspaceworld.org /><BR>> www.openspaceworld.org <BR>> <BR>> Personal website <HTTP: www.ho-image.com />www.ho-image.com=20 <BR>> <BR>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the = <BR>> archives <BR>> Visit: <HTTP: oslist.html archives listserv.boisestate.edu><BR>> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peggy <BR>> Holman <BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:23 PM <BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions = <BR>> over <BR>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>> always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone = <B
R>> telling <BR>> them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot = <BR>> but <BR>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that = <BR>> he <BR>> was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started. He came = <BR>> to <BR>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it = <BR>> out <BR>> for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always = <BR>> lets <BR>>
people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people = <BR>> who <BR>> have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what = <BR>> Jon <BR>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I = <BR>> realized <BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were = <BR>> probably <BR>> enculturated to responding to a bell. =20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, = <BR>> "It's <BR>> 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to = <BR>> do <BR>> -- providing information without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his = <BR>> perspective. <BR>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are = <BR>> part <BR>> of the commons and when he is holding the space,
that is part of his <BR>> contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care = <BR>> what <BR>> they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> description of what he does. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> <BR>> Peggy <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> Peggy Holman <BR>> The Open Circle Company <BR>> 15347 SE 49th Place <BR>> Bellevue, WA 98006 <BR>> (425) 746-6274=20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> www.opencirclecompany.com <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to:=20 <BR>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0ed size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>I guess I can understand why you = <BR>> might be <BR>> tempted in a short Open Space with short sessions, but even then my = <BR>> feeling is <BR>> that is a temptation to be resisted. Part of this is the whole question = <BR>> of <BR>> participants really taking responsibility for what they care about = <BR>> <BR>> including the consequences of either not caring or caring in a different = <BR>> way. <BR>> But the real reason is a deep feeling on my part that the essential task = <BR>> of the <BR>> facilitator is to create the optimal conditions under which the = <BR>> self-organizing <BR>> system (the group of participants) can function most effectively. It is = <BR>> NOT <BR>> about keeping things on time, except for the start, and = <BR>> maybe the <BR>> ending. For whatever it
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0ed size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>My learnings have been that = <BR>> self-organizing <BR>> systems quickly generate their own sense of time, which has little to do = <BR>> with <BR>> the passage of hands over a clock face, and everything to do with the = <BR>> flow or <BR>> activity. Every group will perceive this somewhat differently, and who = <BR>> am I to <BR>> say what is a long time or short time. Point is -- it is their = <BR>> time, <BR>> determined by their own sense of need, accomplishment and ultimately the = <BR>> flow <BR>> of their engagement. I can never know how long people will require for a <BR>> particular conversation, and I think we have all been surprised how much = <BR>> can <BR>> actually be accomplished in a few moments when things are really = <BR>> flowing. <BR>> Inserting arbitrary time br
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3DTahoma><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST <BR>> [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On <BR>> Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Peggy Holman<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, January 13, = <BR>> 2008 <BR>> 12:23 PM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> Thoughts on a = <BR>> Town Crier</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Has anyone noticed more milling about before = <BR>> people <BR>> move into sessions over the last few years? I'd been noticing = <BR>> enough of a <BR>> trend this way that I always intend to explicitly tell people that there = <BR>> won't <BR>> be anyone telling them when to move, that it is up to them to follow = <BR>> their own <BR>> rhythms and interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I <BR>> usually forget. Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is = <BR>> going on.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I just did an OS for a friend for a group of = <BR>> about <BR>> 50. He uses OS a lot but wanted to be able to really participate = <BR>> in this <BR>> one. He told me that he was a little surprised = <BR>> when the <BR>> first round of breakout sessions was starting that I didn't tell people = <BR>> it was <BR>> time to get started. He came to me when the first = <BR>> round <BR>> after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going to ring = <BR>> a bell <BR>> and let people know? I basically told him that I never did = <BR>> that. <BR>> The participants were adults and could figure it out for = <BR>> themselves. He <BR>> was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets people = <BR>> know. <BR>> And then it dawned
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So I took what seemed a middle ground to me = <BR>> and rang a <BR>> bell, saying, "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a = <BR>> town <BR>> crier was a minimalist thing to do -- providing information = <BR>> without <BR>> attachment to how people used it.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted = <BR>> to <BR>> understand his perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, = <BR>> like the <BR>> session start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding = <BR>> the <BR>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. = <BR>> So, it <BR>> strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he = <BR>> does.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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ght have been to suggest to him that he was perfectly free to remind <BR>> people about the time, if he chose to. I agree that it's not a role I <BR>> personally want to take on. <BR>> <BR>> Gabriella, old friend, <BR>> <BR>> Congratulations on the climate change event. We're clearly in danger <BR>> and quickly running out of time. We need to open lots of space for <BR>> Earth right now. <BR>> <BR>> Ralph Copleman <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: M
on, 14 Jan 2008 09:26:23 -0700 <BR>> From: Harold Shinsato <HAROLD@SHINSATO.COM><BR>> Subject: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Dear Open Spacetronauts, <BR>> <BR>> This is my first post to the list after an excellent training in San <BR>> Francisco in OS Facilitation from Lisa Heft. With a one day OS coming up= <BR>> <BR>> that I'll be facilitating in February, I'm a little daunted by the proces= <BR>> s <BR>> of building the invitation and the theme and I have a few questions of ho= <BR>> w <BR>> to manage things during the event. <BR>> <BR>> Some background, we used to be an independent engineering organization of= <BR>> <BR>> about 50 software developers, QA, documentation, and managers in several <BR>> locations in the U.S. and Europe. We used to hold a conventionally <BR>> organized "Summit" with 2 tracks of presentations intended to share <BR>> information about the ind
ustry and our own work. We would submit <BR>> suggestions and management would choose the presentations. A few of the <BR>> sessions would be interactive, but most were powerpoint talking heads. <BR>> <BR>> Last July our 150 person company was acquired by a 5000+ person company, <BR>> which is being acquired by SAP, (40,000+). Even though we've been <BR>> "assimilated", we're still fairly intact as an engineering organization.=20= <BR>> <BR>> I've been given the ok to hold one of the three days of the Engineering <BR>> Summit as Open Space. It's a great chance to open up great conversations= <BR>> <BR>> about the strains and opportunities around the integration with a larger <BR>> company. <BR>> <BR>> My questions for anyone who has done anything similar: How do I build an <BR>> invitation and a theme to best engage the participants? Engineers are of= <BR>> ten <BR>> fairly reserved. How can we best prepare them and get them engage
d to <BR>> suggest conversation topics when the actual Open Space happens? How can = <BR>> I <BR>> get them thinking outside the box of a PowerPoint lecture? Is it possibl= <BR>> e <BR>> I'll need to suggest some topics to get them started? Is it ok to talk <BR>> about possible topics in the invitation without overtly pushing and drivi= <BR>> ng <BR>> the agenda? Do I have to hold back from suggesting topics during the age= <BR>> nda <BR>> building session itself, even if I'm not in management. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks so much for any help. <BR>> <BR>> Happy 2008! <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 <BR>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <BR>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <B
R>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:23:28 +0200 <BR>> From: Mickey Averbuch <AVERBUCH@POST.TAU.AC.IL><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to do it <BR>> right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" and I am very <BR>> glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in my <BR>> daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to bring <BR>> the use of OST to Israel had put me both in a position I had quite a <BR>> lot of figuring out to do and, at the same time, felt I have to be a <BR>> puritan if I am "carrying the message". The lean choice was also a <B
R>> constant dictate to do "one thing less each time" and I believe that <BR>> as long as we practice this principle, we are on the right track.Beinf <BR>> fortunatr enough towork and play with many of you, learning from <BR>> coleagues and freinds all over the world, seeing quit a number of <BR>> styles, my personal openion is that it is more the presence we ofer <BR>> than the actual personal wording <BR>> these are my two cents of the day <BR>> a happy new year to all, though with some delay <BR>> Tova Averbuch <BR>> Holon, Israel <BR>> <BR>> Quoting TYASTO <TYASTO@SAPA.NSK.SU>: <BR>> <BR>> > Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others! <BR>> > <BR>> > I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of the <BR>> > world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different <BR>> > categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the Siberian <BR>> > Academy for Public Administ
ration (SAPA). It's written in their program as <BR>> > Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come to us for 3 <BR>> > and often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes for each item: <BR>> > Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into the circle), 2 <BR>> > sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some time for <BR>> > reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As I call it <BR>> > Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great majority of our <BR>> > participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we have a very <BR>> > short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to have <BR>> > conversations about issues and opportunities of How to improve their work. <BR>> > In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while they are <BR>> > sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling them wha
t they <BR>> > can do and everything is OK even to go away if they don't like it ( in this <BR>> > case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all will be <BR>> > butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always everywhere, some <BR>> > people begin to write the topics and all works well. When people at the <BR>> > Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I wish them <BR>> > all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and go out. But then <BR>> > I usually come back at the time of change between sessions to see if they do <BR>> > it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometimes little bit later <BR>> > than on the schedule. But their shock of freedom is so big and they have <BR>> > such a fun talking in their first groups and leaders of the second sessions <BR>> > are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to take the lead <BR>> &g
t; and say - now it is time for the second session or they miss it at all. I do <BR>> > the same as "Town crier", saying - it's time for the second session, but <BR>> > it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or not. I agree <BR>> > with Elena that when we have such short time we have to encourage them to <BR>> > take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes they come all into one <BR>> > big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is high, they have <BR>> > great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the reports. <BR>> > I learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they want during this 2 <BR>> > or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the best in our <BR>> > 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. Each time <BR>> > somebody says "I will do it at my working place". I give them short written <BR>> > instructions. <BR>> &
gt; What else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it every time - <BR>> > have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a 3 minutes <BR>> > sand-glass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to ask <BR>> > questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the principle "When <BR>> > it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs additional discussion. <BR>> > Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 weeks course <BR>> > this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see the results <BR>> > of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say that they <BR>> > learnt more from each other than from all their other classes. <BR>> > You will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type them and <BR>> > give them back to take home with them as tangible "Collective wisdom", <BR>> > because it's no other way yet
- they don't have access to computers. <BR>> > So, you see, we really do some more things than you and probably do it in a <BR>> > different way. But I realized that even 2 hours in open space is more <BR>> > powerful than two weeks of passive learning from teachers. That is why I try <BR>> > to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible group. The <BR>> > shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, where we all <BR>> > worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions and closing. If <BR>> > i don't have much time for closing I send the bell and ask people to say one <BR>> > word or two. It's always positive and inspiring. I believe that we have <BR>> > homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through these short <BR>> > OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard about a workshop <BR>> > which is must to participate". We help people to feel hap
pier, more <BR>> > self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the bell helps us to <BR>> > do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian bells <BR>> > work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come and move it. <BR>> > With warm greetings from cold Siberia, <BR>> > <BR>> > Marina Tyasto <BR>> > tyasto@sapa.nsk.su <mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su><BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: Elena Marchuk [mailto:marco@mail.nsk.ru] <BR>> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM <BR>> > To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> > Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Dear Peggy, <BR>> > I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work as they care, <BR>> > but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several time I missed <BR>> > the time by chance (though not muc
h...) I could see, that people are just <BR>> > seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to give them a <BR>> > 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and will have time to 'spread' <BR>> > time for another quant of session, I would probably do, but I'm affraid, may <BR>> > be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would have just no <BR>> > time for the next session, so I usualy ring, though say in opening, that it <BR>> > is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town Crier, as you <BR>> > say... <BR>> > <BR>> > thank you for the question <BR>> > warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun shining :) <BR>> > <BR>> > elena marchuk <BR>> > novosibirsk <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Peggy Holman <mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com><BR>> > To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <mailto:OSLIST@LI
STSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM <BR>> > Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > <BR>> > Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions over <BR>> > the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>> > always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone telling <BR>> > them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> > interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> > Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> > <BR>> > I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot but <BR>> > wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that he <BR>> > was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> > starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started.
He came to <BR>> > me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> > wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> > that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it out <BR>> > for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets <BR>> > people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who <BR>> > have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> > does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I realized <BR>> > that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were probably <BR>> > enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> > <BR>> > So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, "It's <BR>> > 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to do <BR>> > -- providing informati
on without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> > <BR>> > I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his perspective. <BR>> > He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are part <BR>> > of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> > contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care what <BR>> > they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> > description of what he does. <BR>> > <BR>> > Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> > something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> > information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> > <BR>> > from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> > Peggy <BR>> > <BR>> > ________________________________ <BR>> > Peggy Holman <BR>> > The Open Circle Company <BR>> >
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/www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:52:59 -0500 <BR>> From: Harrison Owen <HHOWEN@VERIZON.NET><BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Harold -- Welcome! <BR>> <BR>> Invitation: Short, sweet, and open. For a theme -- maybe something like <BR>> "Issues and Opportunities for Building Our Business." Presuming they (your <BR>> engineers) ca
re about the business, that should get them started. <BR>> <BR>> Don't try and explain Open Space. Folks wouldn't believe you anyhow. But you <BR>> can make some definite promises. 1)Every issue they care about will be on <BR>> the agenda. 2)Every issue will be discussed. 3) All will be reported. Those <BR>> are "keepable" promises. <BR>> <BR>> No need to prepare anybody -- and in fact it will be counterproductive. <BR>> Suggesting issues in advance may make people think that they SHOULD talk <BR>> about those issues, when what they need to do is to talk about issues they <BR>> care about. <BR>> <BR>> If this is your first Open Space I suggest that you do nothing but <BR>> facilitate. Admittedly there is not much to do, but there is a lot to learn, <BR>> and if you are busy posting/hosting issues you could miss a big bunch. <BR>> <BR>> And by the way -- Everything I have said (and a whole lot more) is "in the <BR>> book." (Open Spa
ce Technology: A User's Guide -- Berrett-Koehler). You will <BR>> probably find it helpful to get a copy (Amazon will do it) <BR>> <BR>> Have fun! <BR>> <BR>> Harrison <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Harrison Owen <BR>> 7808 River Falls Drive <BR>> Potomac, Maryland 20854 <BR>> Phone 301-365-2093 <BR>> Skype hhowen <BR>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com <BR>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org <BR>> Personal website www.ho-image.com <BR>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the <BR>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harold <BR>> Shinsato <BR>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:26 AM <BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> Subject: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> D
ear Open Spacetronauts, <BR>> <BR>> This is my first post to the list after an excellent training in San <BR>> Francisco in OS Facilitation from Lisa Heft. With a one day OS coming up <BR>> that I'll be facilitating in February, I'm a little daunted by the process <BR>> of building the invitation and the theme and I have a few questions of how <BR>> to manage things during the event. <BR>> <BR>> Some background, we used to be an independent engineering organization of <BR>> about 50 software developers, QA, documentation, and managers in several <BR>> locations in the U.S. and Europe. We used to hold a conventionally <BR>> organized "Summit" with 2 tracks of presentations intended to share <BR>> information about the industry and our own work. We would submit <BR>> suggestions and management would choose the presentations. A few of the <BR>> sessions would be interactive, but most were powerpoint talking heads. <BR>> <BR>> Last July o
ur 150 person company was acquired by a 5000+ person company, <BR>> which is being acquired by SAP, (40,000+). Even though we've been <BR>> "assimilated", we're still fairly intact as an engineering organization. <BR>> I've been given the ok to hold one of the three days of the Engineering <BR>> Summit as Open Space. It's a great chance to open up great conversations <BR>> about the strains and opportunities around the integration with a larger <BR>> company. <BR>> <BR>> My questions for anyone who has done anything similar: How do I build an <BR>> invitation and a theme to best engage the participants? Engineers are often <BR>> fairly reserved. How can we best prepare them and get them engaged to <BR>> suggest conversation topics when the actual Open Space happens? How can I <BR>> get them thinking outside the box of a PowerPoint lecture? Is it possible <BR>> I'll need to suggest some topics to get them started? Is it ok to talk <BR>> abou
t possible topics in the invitation without overtly pushing and driving <BR>> the agenda? Do I have to hold back from suggesting topics during the agenda <BR>> building session itself, even if I'm not in management. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks so much for any help. <BR>> <BR>> Happy 2008! <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubs
cribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:20:25 -0700 <BR>> From: Harold Shinsato <HAROLD@SHINSATO.COM><BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Dear Owen, <BR>> <BR>> Thank you, it's such an honor to get a reply directly from you. I think = <BR>> my <BR>> issue is faith in myself and in the process. I've read the book (some <BR>> chapters more than once). I think maybe I just needed to hear it again i= <BR>> n a <BR>> different way to help me "get" it. I appreciate the encouragement. I've= <BR>> <BR>> seen Open Space work in other scenarios and I just need to trust that peo=
<BR>> ple <BR>> will bring the topics that they care about. But I keep thinking I have t= <BR>> o <BR>> "do" something to make it work, to allow people to bring questions or top= <BR>> ics <BR>> like "How can we lead in a 50K Conglomerate?" and not just some engineeri= <BR>> ng <BR>> topic that they had to spend a week preparing a powerpoint based on their= <BR>> <BR>> prior experience, which is the "box". <BR>> <BR>> It's like an ugly itch in the brain, but is there some way to help me qui= <BR>> et <BR>> it down? I keep seeing this image of me opening the space and then no on= <BR>> e <BR>> filling in any topic cards, or just a few that didn't get put in the firs= <BR>> t <BR>> tracks. Has anyone had experience in a similar situation for 30-50 <BR>> engineers in a single department but working on different projects? <BR>> <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 <BR>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <BR>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:54:52 -0800 <BR>> From: Tree Fitzpatrick <THERESE.FITZPATRICK@GMAIL.COM><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> ------=_Part_8170_1653873.1200336892712 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <BR>> Content-Disposition: inline <BR>> <BR>> Greetings to all. Before I respond to Peggy's
'town crier' post, I pause to <BR>> remind all who might be reading that when I share my opinion, I am not <BR>> putting down others' comments. Sometimes when I have commented on this list <BR>> (and others) people seem to hear me putting down others' ideas when I am <BR>> simply saying "I think this". I am feeling unusually sensitive this morning <BR>> so I offer this caution. <BR>> <BR>> It is fascinating to me, Peggy, to see this post from you today. Last week, <BR>> I was thinking about open space time and how it works best when we trust <BR>> ever more deeply within our own selves without regard to others timing. As <BR>> you know, Peggy, you and I met in person on Friday and we did not discuss <BR>> open space time but it was alive in my etheric. Perhaps it was alive in me <BR>> because it was alive in you because of your recent work with Jon. Or perhaps <BR>> open space time was alive last week and we both tuned in. <BR>> <BR>> Th
e above paragraph might sound off-topic but to me, it gets to the very <BR>> heart of self-organization. The more I believe that things unfold exactly <BR>> as they ought, well, my goodness, the more they do. <BR>> <BR>> Last week when I thought about 'open space time', each time, I thought of <BR>> you, my dear Peggy. I have worked with you on several multi-day OS events <BR>> and several times I have been grateful to hear you softly remind the design <BR>> team 'we are in open space time'. It is my recollection that you have said <BR>> this when the design team was feeling a time crunch, fretting that we <BR>> couldn't get in all that we had to get in and then you would say 'we are in <BR>> open space time' and an ease would settle upon us. <BR>> <BR>> We are always in open space. We are always in open space time. As an open <BR>> space facilitator, I think much like Tova has described in her response to <BR>> you, Peggy. The quality of h
ow the facilitator holds the space is really the <BR>> work of facilitation. We are not timekeepers or town criers. If a <BR>> facilitator does remind participants of session times, this will be just <BR>> fine because in open space, there is no right or wrong but I think <BR>> announcing times is a subtle failure of trust. To me, the work of open space <BR>> facilitation is much deeper than any particular event and much more <BR>> important than a client's deliverables. To me, giving a group the <BR>> opportunity to collaborate in open space on a shared intention is always <BR>> about much more than the stated goals in the event's invitation. Yes, when <BR>> we are accountable to a client who has hired us because they wish to achieve <BR>> goals, sometimes we will calibrate our choices to give the cilent <BR>> satisfaction. But mostly, I guess I think of open space facilitators as <BR>> cultural capacity shamans. The human race urgently needs to
learn how to <BR>> trust that all is well and to trust our inner inklings/guidance and the best <BR>> wya for the human race to develop these skills is to spend time in <BR>> openly-acknowledged open space. If someone comes to an OS event and 'all' <BR>> they get out of the event is that moment when they noticed an inner click <BR>> that said to them 'it is time to move to another session', well, that is an <BR>> amazing thing, that is the whole point, that is evolution unfolding. If <BR>> someone calls the time, we are depriving participants from knowing for their <BR>> own self what time it is, where they should be, what they should be doing. <BR>> What an awesome gift to give someone. I will never forget the first moment I <BR>> got that click when I was in an OS event and I perceived within myself that <BR>> I was in the wrong room and hey I could follow that inkling until I stood in <BR>> the place just right. That is os facilitation, if yo
u ask me. <BR>> <BR>> I know the above can sound highy impractical to a client with workplace <BR>> goals to achieve in a 2.5 day open space or a two hour open space. . . but <BR>> for me, having each participant in an os event begin to better discern their <BR>> own wisdom, well, it is the whole point. <BR>> <BR>> Coming to you from cold, overcast, and windy Whidbey Island. Puget Sound and <BR>> the Olympic Mountains are within my view, just past the computer screen. I <BR>> see lots of white caps. It is way cold. I miss my warm, sunny home in <BR>> California and I have another week of Northwest winter ahead of me. There <BR>> is a reason I am very cold this week. I am sitting here waiting for that <BR>> reason to be revealed to me. My fingers are like ice. I write to keep warm. <BR>> <BR>> On 1/14/08, Mickey Averbuch <AVERBUCH@POST.TAU.AC.IL>wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> > for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to
do it <BR>> > right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" and I am very <BR>> > glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in my <BR>> > daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to bring <BR>> > the use of OST to Israel had put me both in a position I had quite a <BR>> > lot of figuring out to do and, at the same time, felt I have to be a <BR>> > puritan if I am "carrying the message". The lean choice was also a <BR>> > constant dictate to do "one thing less each time" and I believe that <BR>> > as long as we practice this principle, we are on the right track.Beinf <BR>> > fortunatr enough towork and play with many of you, learning from <BR>> > coleagues and freinds all over the world, seeing quit a number of <BR>> > styles, my personal openion is that it is more the presence we ofer <BR>> > than the actual personal wording <BR>> > these are my two cents of t
he day <BR>> > a happy new year to all, though with some delay <BR>> > Tova Averbuch <BR>> > Holon, Israel <BR>> > <BR>> > Quoting TYASTO <TYASTO@SAPA.NSK.SU>: <BR>> > <BR>> > > Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others! <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of the <BR>> > > world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different <BR>> > > categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the <BR>> > Siberian <BR>> > > Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's written in their program <BR>> > as <BR>> > > Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come to us for <BR>> > 3 <BR>> > > and often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes for each item: <BR>> > > Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into the <BR>> > circle), 2 <BR>> > &g
t; sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some time <BR>> > for <BR>> > > reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As I call <BR>> > it <BR>> > > Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great majority of our <BR>> > > participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we have a <BR>> > very <BR>> > > short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to have <BR>> > > conversations about issues and opportunities of How to improve their <BR>> > work. <BR>> > > In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while they are <BR>> > > sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling them what <BR>> > they <BR>> > > can do and everything is OK even to go away if they don't like it ( in <BR>> > this <BR>> > > case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all will be <BR>> &g
t; > butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always everywhere, <BR>> > some <BR>> > > people begin to write the topics and all works well. When people at the <BR>> > > Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I wish <BR>> > them <BR>> > > all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and go out. But <BR>> > then <BR>> > > I usually come back at the time of change between sessions to see if <BR>> > they do <BR>> > > it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometimes little bit <BR>> > later <BR>> > > than on the schedule. But their shock of freedom is so big and they have <BR>> > > such a fun talking in their first groups and leaders of the second <BR>> > sessions <BR>> > > are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to take the <BR>> > lead <BR>> > > and say - now it is time for the second sess
ion or they miss it at all. <BR>> > I do <BR>> > > the same as "Town crier", saying - it's time for the second session, but <BR>> > > it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or not. I <BR>> > agree <BR>> > > with Elena that when we have such short time we have to encourage them <BR>> > to <BR>> > > take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes they come all into <BR>> > one <BR>> > > big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is high, they <BR>> > have <BR>> > > great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the reports. <BR>> > > I learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they want during this <BR>> > 2 <BR>> > > or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the best in <BR>> > our <BR>> > > 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. Each time <BR>> > > somebody says
"I will do it at my working place". I give them short <BR>> > written <BR>> > > instructions. <BR>> > > What else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it every <BR>> > time - <BR>> > > have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a 3 <BR>> > minutes <BR>> > > sand-glass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to <BR>> > ask <BR>> > > questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the principle <BR>> > "When <BR>> > > it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs additional <BR>> > discussion. <BR>> > > Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 weeks course <BR>> > > this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see the <BR>> > results <BR>> > > of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say that <BR>> > they <BR>> > > learnt more from
each other than from all their other classes. <BR>> > > You will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type them <BR>> > and <BR>> > > give them back to take home with them as tangible "Collective wisdom", <BR>> > > because it's no other way yet - they don't have access to computers. <BR>> > > So, you see, we really do some more things than you and probably do it <BR>> > in a <BR>> > > different way. But I realized that even 2 hours in open space is more <BR>> > > powerful than two weeks of passive learning from teachers. That is why I <BR>> > try <BR>> > > to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible group. The <BR>> > > shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, where we <BR>> > all <BR>> > > worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions and closing. <BR>> > If <BR>> > > i don't have much time for clos
ing I send the bell and ask people to say <BR>> > one <BR>> > > word or two. It's always positive and inspiring. I believe that we have <BR>> > > homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through these <BR>> > short <BR>> > > OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard about a <BR>> > workshop <BR>> > > which is must to participate". We help people to feel happier, more <BR>> > > self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the bell helps us <BR>> > to <BR>> > > do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian bells <BR>> > > work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come and move <BR>> > it. <BR>> > > With warm greetings from cold Siberia, <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Marina Tyasto <BR>> > > tyasto@sapa.nsk.su <mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su><BR>> > > <BR>> > > -----Original Messag
e----- <BR>> > > From: Elena Marchuk [mailto:marco@mail.nsk.ru] <BR>> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM <BR>> > > To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> > > Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Dear Peggy, <BR>> > > I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work as they <BR>> > care, <BR>> > > but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several time I <BR>> > missed <BR>> > > the time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people are <BR>> > just <BR>> > > seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to give them <BR>> > a <BR>> > > 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and will have time to <BR>> > 'spread' <BR>> > > time for another quant of session, I would probably do, but I'm affraid, <BR>> > may <BR>> >
> be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would have just <BR>> > no <BR>> > > time for the next session, so I usualy ring, though say in opening, that <BR>> > it <BR>> > > is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town Crier, as you <BR>> > > say... <BR>> > > <BR>> > > thank you for the question <BR>> > > warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun shining :) <BR>> > > <BR>> > > elena marchuk <BR>> > > novosibirsk <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > From: Peggy Holman <mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com><BR>> > > To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <MAILTO: <BR>> > OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU> <BR>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM <BR>> > > Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Has anyone noticed more milling abo
ut before people move into sessions <BR>> > over <BR>> > > the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>> > > always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone <BR>> > telling <BR>> > > them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> > > interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> > > Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot <BR>> > but <BR>> > > wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that <BR>> > he <BR>> > > was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> > > starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started. He came <BR>> > to <BR>> > > me when the first round after lunch w
ere scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> > > wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> > > that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it <BR>> > out <BR>> > > for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always <BR>> > lets <BR>> > > people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people <BR>> > who <BR>> > > have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what <BR>> > Jon <BR>> > > does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I <BR>> > realized <BR>> > > that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were <BR>> > probably <BR>> > > enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, <BR>> > "It's <BR>> > > 1:30 and all's well
." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to <BR>> > do <BR>> > > -- providing information without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> > perspective. <BR>> > > He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are <BR>> > part <BR>> > > of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> > > contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care <BR>> > what <BR>> > > they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> > > description of what he does. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> > > something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> > > information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> > &g
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learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------=_Part_8170_1653873.1200336892712 <BR>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> Content-Disposition: inline <BR>> <BR>> Greetings to all. Before I respond to Peggy's 'town crier' post= <BR>> , I pause to remind all who might be reading that when I share my opinion, = <BR>> I am not putting down others' comments. Sometimes when I have commented= <BR>> on this list (and others) people seem to hear me putting down others' = <BR>> ideas when I am simply saying "I think this". I am feeling = <BR>> unusually sensitive this morning so I offer this caution. <BR>> <BR><BR>It is fascinating to me, Peggy, to see this post from you today.&nb= <BR>> sp; Last week, I was thinking about open space time and how it works best w= <BR>> hen we trust ever more deeply within our
own selves without regard to other= <BR>> s timing. As you know, Peggy, you and I met in person on Friday and w= <BR>> e did not discuss open space time but it was alive in my etheric. Perhaps i= <BR>> t was alive in me because it was alive in you because of your recent work w= <BR>> ith Jon. Or perhaps open space time was alive last week and we both tuned i= <BR>> n. <BR>> <BR><BR>The above paragraph might sound off-topic but to me, it gets to the= <BR>> very heart of self-organization. The more I believe that things unfo= <BR>> ld exactly as they ought, well, my goodness, the more they do.<BR><BR>Last = <BR>> week when I thought about 'open space time', each time, I thought o= <BR>> f you, my dear Peggy. I have worked with you on several multi-day OS = <BR>> events and several times I have been grateful to hear you softly remind the= <BR>> design team 'we are in open space time'. It is my recollecti= <BR>> on that yo
u have said this when the design team was feeling a time crunch, = <BR>> fretting that we couldn't get in all that we had to get in and then you= <BR>> would say 'we are in open space time' and an ease would settle upo= <BR>> n us. <BR>> <BR><BR>We are always in open space. We are always in open space time. = <BR>> ; As an open space facilitator, I think much like Tova has described in her= <BR>> response to you, Peggy. The quality of how the facilitator holds the space= <BR>> is really the work of facilitation. We are not timekeepers or town c= <BR>> riers. If a facilitator does remind participants of session times, th= <BR>> is will be just fine because in open space, there is no right or wrong but = <BR>> I think announcing times is a subtle failure of trust. To me, the work of o= <BR>> pen space facilitation is much deeper than any particular event and much mo= <BR>> re important than a client's deliverables. To me, giving a
group the op= <BR>> portunity to collaborate in open space on a shared intention is always abou= <BR>> t much more than the stated goals in the event's invitation. Yes, when = <BR>> we are accountable to a client who has hired us because they wish to achiev= <BR>> e goals, sometimes we will calibrate our choices to give the cilent satisfa= <BR>> ction. But mostly, I guess I think of open space facilitators as cult= <BR>> ural capacity shamans. The human race urgently needs to learn how to trust = <BR>> that all is well and to trust our inner inklings/guidance and the best wya = <BR>> for the human race to develop these skills is to spend time in openly-ackno= <BR>> wledged open space. If someone comes to an OS event and 'all'= <BR>> they get out of the event is that moment when they noticed an inner click = <BR>> that said to them 'it is time to move to another session', well, th= <BR>> at is an amazing thing, that is the whole point,
that is evolution unfoldin= <BR>> g. If someone calls the time, we are depriving participants from know= <BR>> ing for their own self what time it is, where they should be, what they sho= <BR>> uld be doing. What an awesome gift to give someone. I will never forget the= <BR>> first moment I got that click when I was in an OS event and I perceived wi= <BR>> thin myself that I was in the wrong room and hey I could follow that inklin= <BR>> g until I stood in the place just right. That is os facilitation, if you as= <BR>> k me. <BR>> <BR><BR>I know the above can sound highy impractical to a client with workp= <BR>> lace goals to achieve in a 2.5 day open space or a two hour open space. . .= <BR>> but for me, having each participant in an os event begin to better discern= <BR>> their own wisdom, well, it is the whole point. <BR>> <BR><BR>Coming to you from cold, overcast, and windy Whidbey Island. Puget = <BR>> Sound and the Olympic Mountai
ns are within my view, just past the computer = <BR>> screen. I see lots of white caps. It is way cold. I miss my warm, sun= <BR>> ny home in California and I have another week of Northwest winter ahead of = <BR>> me. There is a reason I am very cold this week. I am sitting here wai= <BR>> ting for that reason to be revealed to me. My fingers are like ice. I write= <BR>> to keep warm. <BR>> <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class='3D"gmail_quote"'>On 1/14/08, <B class='3D"gmail_send=' <BR>> ername">Mickey Averbuch</B> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:averbuch@post.tau.ac.il"'>= <BR>> averbuch@post.tau.ac.il</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class='3D"gmail_quo=' <BR>> te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt= <BR>> 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <BR>> for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to do it<B= <BR>> r>right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" and I= <BR>> am very<BR>glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in= <BR>> my <BR>> <BR>daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to bring<BR= <BR>> >the use of OST to Israel had put me both in a position I had quite a<BR>lo= <BR>> t of figuring out to do and, at the same time, felt I have to be a<BR>purit= <BR>> an if I am "carrying the message". The lean choice was also a <BR>> <BR>constant dictate to do "one thing less each time" and I belie= <BR>> ve that<BR>as long as we practice this principle, we are on the right track= <BR>> .Beinf<BR>fortunatr enough towork and play with many of you, learning from <BR>&g
t; <BR>coleagues and freinds all over the world, seeing quit a number of<BR>st= <BR>> yles, my personal openion is that it is more the presence we ofer<BR>than t= <BR>> he actual personal wording<BR>these are my two cents of the day<BR> &n= <BR>> bsp;a happy new year to all, though with some delay <BR>> <BR>Tova Averbuch<BR>Holon, Israel<BR><BR>Quoting TYASTO <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mai=' <BR>> lto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su">tyasto@sapa.nsk.su</A>>:<BR><BR>> Dear Peggy,= <BR>> Michael, Elena and others!<BR>><BR>> I will support Elena and tell w= <BR>> hy we are doing this in our part of the <BR>> <BR>> world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different= <BR>> <BR>> categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the S= <BR>> iberian<BR>> Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's written = <BR>> in their program as <BR>> <BR>> Business game with the th
eme on improving their work.They come to = <BR>> us for 3<BR>> and often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes fo= <BR>> r each item:<BR>> Introduction (including moving tables and putting chai= <BR>> rs into the circle), 2 <BR>> <BR>> sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some = <BR>> time for<BR>> reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circl= <BR>> e. As I call it<BR>> Voluntarily-compulsory participation in = <BR>> OST. Great majority of our <BR>> <BR>> participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we ha= <BR>> ve a very<BR>> short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way t= <BR>> o have<BR>> conversations about issues and opportunities of How to impro= <BR>> ve their work. <BR>> <BR>> In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while th= <BR>> ey are<BR>> sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling t= <
BR>> hem what they<BR>> can do and everything is OK even to go away if they d= <BR>> on't like it ( in this <BR>> <BR>> case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all w= <BR>> ill be<BR>> butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always = <BR>> everywhere, some<BR>> people begin to write the topics and all works wel= <BR>> l. When people at the <BR>> <BR>> Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I wi= <BR>> sh them<BR>> all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and = <BR>> go out. But then<BR>> I usually come back at the time of change between = <BR>> sessions to see if they do <BR>> <BR>> it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometim= <BR>> es little bit later<BR>> than on the schedule. But their shock of freedo= <BR>> m is so big and they have<BR>> such a fun talking in their first groups = <BR>> and leaders of the second ses
sions <BR>> <BR>> are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to take = <BR>> the lead<BR>> and say - now it is time for the second session or they mi= <BR>> ss it at all. I do<BR>> the same as "Town crier", saying - it&= <BR>> #39;s time for the second session, but <BR>> <BR>> it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or n= <BR>> ot. I agree<BR>> with Elena that when we have such short time we have to= <BR>> encourage them to<BR>> take the lead and organize second groups. Someti= <BR>> mes they come all into one <BR>> <BR>> big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is high,= <BR>> they have<BR>> great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get= <BR>> the reports.<BR>> I learnt to take it easy and let them do w= <BR>> hatever they want during this 2 <BR>> <BR>> or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the b= <BR>> est in our<BR
>> 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the co= <BR>> urse. Each time<BR>> somebody says "I will do it at my working plac= <BR>> e". I give them short written <BR>> <BR>> instructions.<BR>> What else you don't do normally - listen= <BR>> the reports - I do it every time -<BR>> have them in the circle to shar= <BR>> e briefly their reports. I have a 3 minutes<BR>> sand-glass and show to = <BR>> them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to ask <BR>> <BR>> questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the princ= <BR>> iple "When<BR>> it's not over it's not over" and say t= <BR>> hat it needs additional discussion.<BR>> Because my class takes place no= <BR>> rmally at the end of their 2 weeks course <BR>> <BR>> this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see t= <BR>> he results<BR>> of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They alw= <BR>> ays say that they<BR>> l
earnt more from each other than from all their o= <BR>> ther classes. <BR>> <BR>> You will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type t= <BR>> hem and<BR>> give them back to take home with them as tangible "Col= <BR>> lective wisdom",<BR>> because it's no other way yet - they don&= <BR>> #39;t have access to computers. <BR>> <BR>> So, you see, we really do some more things than you and= <BR>> probably do it in a<BR>> different way. But I realized that even 2 hour= <BR>> s in open space is more<BR>> powerful than two weeks of passive learning= <BR>> from teachers. That is why I try <BR>> <BR>> to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible group.= <BR>> The<BR>> shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, = <BR>> where we all<BR>> worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 ses= <BR>> sions and closing. If <BR>> <BR>> i don't have much time for cl
osing I send the bell and ask peo= <BR>> ple to say one<BR>> word or two. It's always positive and inspiring.= <BR>> I believe that we have<BR>> homeopathic influencing on the civil servan= <BR>> ts in Siberia through these short <BR>> <BR>> OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard= <BR>> about a workshop<BR>> which is must to participate". We help peopl= <BR>> e to feel happier, more<BR>> self-confident and be leaders. I= <BR>> f additional ring of the bell helps us to <BR>> <BR>> do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian= <BR>> bells<BR>> work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to com= <BR>> e and move it.<BR>> With warm greetings from cold Siberia,<BR>><BR><BR>> > Marina Tyasto<BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su"'>tyasto@sap= <BR>> a.nsk.su</A> <mailto:<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/w
m/toolbar/3D"mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su"'>tyasto@sapa.n= <BR>> sk.su</A>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>= <BR>> From: Elena Marchuk [mailto: <BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:marco@mail.nsk.ru"'>marco@mail.nsk.ru</A>]<BR>> Sent: M= <BR>> onday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM<BR>> To: <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:OSLIST@LISTSE=' <BR>> RV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>> Subject: Re: = <BR>> Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Dear Peggy,<BR>> I wish I could NOT rin= <BR>> g the bells and let participants to work as they care,<BR>> but most OSs= <BR>> I provide are very limited in time, and several time I missed<BR>> the = <BR>> time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people are just <BR>> <BR>> seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to giv= <BR>> e
them a<BR>> 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and w= <BR>> ill have time to 'spread'<BR>> time for another quant of session= <BR>> , I would probably do, but I'm affraid, may <BR>> <BR>> be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would = <BR>> have just no<BR>> time for the next session, so I usualy ring, though sa= <BR>> y in opening, that it<BR>> is up to them, how they will work, I would ju= <BR>> st be a Town Crier, as you <BR>> <BR>> say...<BR>><BR>> thank you for the question<BR>> warm hug= <BR>> s from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun shining :)<BR>><BR>&= <BR>> gt; elena marchuk<BR>> novosibirsk<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Messag= <BR>> e ----- <BR>> <BR>> From: Peggy Holman <mailto:<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:peggy@opencircleco=' <BR>> mpany.com">peggy@opencirclecompany.com</A>><BR>> To: <A href='http://mailcenter3.
comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailt=' <BR>> o:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A> <ma= <BR>> ilto: <BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"'>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTAT= <BR>> E.EDU</A>><BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM<BR>> Subje= <BR>> ct: Thoughts on a Town Crier<BR>><BR>> Has anyone noticed more millin= <BR>> g about before people move into sessions over <BR>> <BR>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a t= <BR>> rend this way that I<BR>> always intend to explicitly tell people that t= <BR>> here won't be anyone telling<BR>> them when to move, that it is up t= <BR>> o them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> <BR>> interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, s= <BR>> o I usually forget.<BR>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is = <BR>> going on.<BR>><BR>>
I just did an OS for a friend for a group of abou= <BR>> t 50. He uses OS a lot but <BR>> <BR>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. H= <BR>> e told me that he<BR>> was a little surprised when the first round of br= <BR>> eakout sessions was<BR>> starting that I didn't tell people it was t= <BR>> ime to get started. He came to <BR>> <BR>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and as= <BR>> ked me<BR>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? = <BR>> I basically told him<BR>> that I never did that. The pa= <BR>> rticipants were adults and could figure it out <BR>> <BR>> for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. = <BR>> ; He said he always lets<BR>> people know. And then it d= <BR>> awned on me: there are more and more people who<BR>> have exp= <BR>> erienced OS.&nb
sp; Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> <BR>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session.&n= <BR>> bsp; I realized<BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon'= <BR>> ;s invitation, they were probably<BR>> enculturated to responding to a b= <BR>> ell.<BR><BR>> ><BR>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, s= <BR>> aying, "It's<BR>> 1:30 and all's well." I f= <BR>> igured a town crier was a minimalist thing to do<BR>> -- providing infor= <BR>> mation without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> <BR>><BR>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand = <BR>> his perspective.<BR>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the sess= <BR>> ion start times, are part<BR>> of the commons and when he is holding the= <BR>> space, that is part of his <BR>> <BR>> contract with the group, to give them the informa
tion. = <BR>> He doesn't care what<BR>> they do once they hear it. So, = <BR>> it strikes me that Town Crier is a good<BR>> description of what he does= <BR>> .<BR>><BR>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the = <BR>> only one doing <BR>> <BR>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thought= <BR>> s on providing<BR>> information that marks the passage of time.<BR>><= <BR>> br>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle,<BR>> Peggy<BR>><BR>> __= <BR>> ______________________________ <BR>> <BR>> Peggy Holman<BR>> The Open Circle Company<BR>> 15347 SE 49th= <BR>> Place<BR>> Bellevue, WA 98006<BR>> (425) 746-6274<BR>>= <BR>> <BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"http://www.opencirclecompany.com"'>www.opencirclecompany= <BR>> .com</A> <BR>> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"http://www.openci
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--------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------=_Part_8170_1653873.1200336892712-- <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:20:00 +0100 <BR>> From: Thomas Herrmann <THOMAS@OPENSPACECONSULTING.COM><BR>> Subject: SV: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <BR>> <BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C856EA.DE6312F0 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Dear friends in Open Space <BR>> <BR>> I=92m in the middle of a 3 day OS training with 16 participants and = <BR>> we=92ve <BR>> d
iscussed similair things at times during this first day. Such as = <BR>> =93does the <BR>> facilitator have to tell people that they may help themselves with = <BR>> coffee <BR>> and tea=94 although it is just in the face of them, or can he/she assume = <BR>> they <BR>> grab whatever they like?=20 <BR>> <BR>> I think we have a lot to dis-learn to get back in shape. Small kids = <BR>> would <BR>> never ask before grabbing whatever they like =96 until they are taught = <BR>> that <BR>> it=92s probably not OK if noone said so, or that they have to ask first. = <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I see many situations in Open Space of my life as well as in an = <BR>> OS-meeting <BR>> when adults wait for permission instead of acting or at least = <BR>> asking...and <BR>> an important aspect of OST, to me, is to allow people to learn to be <BR>> responsible, in the process. After a while they get it. But this can = <BR>>
make <BR>> the learning a bit rough in short OS-meetings. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Anyway, I follow HO=92s advice and do my best to find another thing not = <BR>> to do. <BR>> So I trust people do whatever is best for them =96 may it be rough = <BR>> learning... <BR>> <BR>> Warm regards <BR>> <BR>> Thomas Herrmann <BR>> <BR>> PS Today I had a nap, played pool and walked in the snow =96 during our = <BR>> Open <BR>> Space-meeting. Great! DS <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> _____ =20 <BR>> <BR>> Fr=E5n: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] F=F6r Peggy = <BR>> Holman <BR>> Skickat: den 13 januari 2008 18:23 <BR>> Till: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> =C4mne: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into sessions = <BR>> over <BR>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend this way that I <BR>>
; always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone = <BR>> telling <BR>> them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a lot = <BR>> but <BR>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that = <BR>> he <BR>> was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started. He came = <BR>> to <BR>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> that I never did that. The participants were adults and could figure it = <BR>> out <BR>> for themselves. He wa
s floored and a little upset. He said he always = <BR>> lets <BR>> people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people = <BR>> who <BR>> have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what = <BR>> Jon <BR>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I = <BR>> realized <BR>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were = <BR>> probably <BR>> enculturated to responding to a bell. =20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, = <BR>> "It's <BR>> 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to = <BR>> do <BR>> -- providing information without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his = <BR>> perspective. <BR>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are
= <BR>> part <BR>> of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> contract with the group, to give them the information. He doesn't care = <BR>> what <BR>> they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> description of what he does. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> <BR>> Peggy <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________ <BR>> Peggy Holman <BR>> The Open Circle Company <BR>> 15347 SE 49th Place <BR>> Bellevue, WA 98006 <BR>> (425) 746-6274=20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> www.opencirclecompany.com <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the new edition of The
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear friends in Open = <BR>> Space<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Im in the middle of a 3 day = <BR>> OS <BR>> training with 16 participants and weve discussed similair things = <BR>> at <BR>> times during this first day. Such as does the facilitator have to = <BR>> tell <BR>> people that they may help themselves with coffee and tea although = <BR>> it is <BR>> just in the face of them, or can he/she assume they grab whatever they = <BR>> like? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think we have a lot to dis-learn = <BR>> to get <BR>> back in shape. Small kids would never ask before grabbing whatever they = <BR>> like <BR>> until they are taught that its probably not OK if noone said so, = <BR>> or that <BR>> they have to ask first. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I see many situations in Open Space = <BR>> of my <BR>> life as well as in an OS-meeting when adults wait for permission instead = <BR>> of <BR>> acting or at least asking...and an important aspect of OST, to me, is to = <BR>> allow <BR>> people to learn to be responsible, in the process. After a while they = <BR>> get it. <BR>> But this can make the learning a bit rough in short = <BR>> OS-meetings.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, I follow HOs advice = <BR>> and do <BR>> my best to find another thing not to do. So I trust people do whatever = <BR>> is best <BR>> for them may it be rough = <BR>> learning...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Warm = <BR>> regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thomas = <BR>> Herrmann<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3><SPAN lang=3DSV ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Fr=E5n:</SPAN></FONT></B><FON= <BR>> t <BR>> size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><SPAN lang=3DSV ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <BR>> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-weight: <BR>> bold'>F=F6r </SPAN></B>Peggy Holman<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Skickat:</SPAN></B> den 13 januari = <BR>> 2008 18:23<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Till:</SPAN></B> <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>=C4mne:</SPAN></B> Thoughts on a = <BR>> Town Crier</SPAN></FONT><SPAN <BR>> lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 Roman? New><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He = <BR>> uses OS <BR>> a lot but wanted to be able to really participate in this <BR>> one. He told me that he was a little surprised = <BR>> when the <BR>> first round of breakout sessions was starting that I didn't tell people = <BR>> it was <BR>> time to get started. He came to me when the first = <BR>> round <BR>> after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going to ring = <BR>> a bell <BR>> and let people know? I basically told him that I never did = <BR>> that. <BR>> The participants were adults and could figure it out for = <BR>> themselves. He <BR>> was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets people = <BR>> know. <BR>> And then it dawned on me: 
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 Roman? New><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, = <BR>> saying, <BR>> "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a <BR>> minimalist thing to do -- providing information without = <BR>> attachment to <BR>> how people used it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 Roman? New><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, like the <BR>> session start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding = <BR>> the <BR>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. = <BR>> So, it <BR>> strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he = <BR>> does.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 Roman? New><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only = <BR>> one <BR>> doing something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on = <BR>> providing <BR>> information that marks the passage of time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 Roman? New><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire = <BR>> and not <BR>> get burnt, is to become <BR><BR>> the fire".<BR><BR>> -- Drew Dellinger<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.or
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=_NextPart_000_002C_01C856C7.605457C0 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="US-ASCII" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Harold -- It is not about trusting the process for after all Open Space = <BR>> has <BR>> been "done" well over 100,000 times in 134 countries -- and it always = <BR>> seems <BR>> to work. It is really about trusting the people. And if the 150 = <BR>> employees of <BR>> your company are anything more than marginally competent, committed and <BR>> brainy, there is not a question in my mind that they will come up with = <BR>> the <BR>> pertinent issues for the company. After all, they ARE the company. Not <BR>> everybody will have the same issue (thank God), nor will everybody be <BR>> interested in all the issues -- but take it from an old timer you can be <BR>> totally certain that the right people will come up with the right issues = <BR>> -- <BR>> the ones they care abo
ut. And of course, if there are no issues, you = <BR>> will <BR>> have a very short session.=20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> You may also need to think about another company :-) <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> A suggestion: Do you Open Space as the last day - in which people are <BR>> challenged to assess and synthesize what they have learned on the first = <BR>> two <BR>> days, and point the way forward. Doing OS on the first or second day = <BR>> will <BR>> create problems. As you know from your own experience, life in Open = <BR>> Space <BR>> will get pretty energetic, exciting and stimulating - after which = <BR>> sitting at <BR>> the feet of Talking Heads will not seem appealing. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> I am reminded of working with a group of Japanese engineers (software) = <BR>> and <BR>> the sponsor's concerns were totally similar to your own. Not only were = <BR>> these <BR>> engineers, but the
y were Japanese Engineers (whatever that was supposed = <BR>> to <BR>> mean). I told him that as long as the group fell generally within the <BR>> genetic pool of Homo sapiens there should be no difficulty. There = <BR>> wasn't. <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> It's true. Even Engineers can do it! <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Have fun!! <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Harrison=20 <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Harrison Owen <BR>> <BR>> 7808 River Falls Drive <BR>> <BR>> Potomac, Maryland 20854 <BR>> <BR>> Phone 301-365-2093 <BR>> <BR>> Skype hhowen <BR>> <BR>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com=20 <BR>> <BR>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org <BR>> <BR>> Personal website www.ho-image.com=20 <BR>> <BR>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the = <BR>> archives <BR>> Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> =20
<BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harold <BR>> Shinsato <BR>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:20 PM <BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software = <BR>> developers <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Dear Owen, <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Thank you, it's such an honor to get a reply directly from you. I think = <BR>> my <BR>> <BR>> issue is faith in myself and in the process. I've read the book (some <BR>> <BR>> chapters more than once). I think maybe I just needed to hear it again = <BR>> in a <BR>> <BR>> different way to help me "get" it. I appreciate the encouragement. = <BR>> I've <BR>> <BR>> seen Open Space work in other scenarios and I just need to trust that = <BR>> people <BR>> <BR>> will bring the topics that they care abo
ut. But I keep thinking I have = <BR>> to <BR>> <BR>> "do" something to make it work, to allow people to bring questions or = <BR>> topics <BR>> <BR>> like "How can we lead in a 50K Conglomerate?" and not just some = <BR>> engineering <BR>> <BR>> topic that they had to spend a week preparing a powerpoint based on = <BR>> their <BR>> <BR>> prior experience, which is the "box". <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> It's like an ugly itch in the brain, but is there some way to help me = <BR>> quiet <BR>> <BR>> it down? I keep seeing this image of me opening the space and then no = <BR>> one <BR>> <BR>> filling in any topic cards, or just a few that didn't get put in the = <BR>> first <BR>> <BR>> tracks. Has anyone had experience in a similar situation for 30-50 <BR>> <BR>> engineers in a single department but working on different projects? <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> =20 <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Harold -- It is not about trusting the process for after all = <BR>> Open Space <BR>> has been "done" well over 100,000 times in 134 countries -- = <BR>> and it <BR>> always seems to work. It is really about trusting the people. And if the = <BR>> 150 <BR>> employees of your company are anything more than marginally competent, <BR>> committed and brainy, there is not a question in my mind that they will = <BR>> come up <BR>> with the pertinent issues for the company. After all, they = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT>ARE <BR>> the company. Not everybody will have the same issue (thank God), nor = <BR>> will <BR>> everybody be interested in all the issues -- but take it from an old = <BR>> timer you <BR>> can be totally certain that the right people will come up with the right = <BR>> issues <BR>> -- the ones they care about. And
of course, if there are no issues, you = <BR>> will <BR>> have a very short session. </P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>You may also need to think about another company = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> face=3DWingdings><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>J</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>A suggestion: Do you Open Space as the last day in which = <BR>> people <BR>> are challenged to assess and synthesize what they have learned on the = <BR>> first two <BR>> days, and point the way forward. Doing OS on the first or second day = <BR>> will create <BR>> problems. As you know from your own experience, life in Open Space will = <BR>> get <BR>> pretty energetic, exciting and stimulating after which sitting = <BR>> at the <BR>> feet of Talking Heads will not seem appealing.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>I am reminded of working with a group of Japanese engineers = <BR>> (software) <BR>> and the sponsors concerns were totally similar to your own. Not = <BR>> only <BR>> were these engineers, but they were Japanese Engineers (whatever that = <BR>> was <BR>> supposed to mean). I told him that as long as the group fell generally = <BR>> within <BR>> the genetic pool of Homo sapiens there should be no difficulty. There = <BR>> wasnt.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Its true. Even Engineers can do it!</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Have fun!!</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harold <BR>> Shinsato<BR><BR>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:20 PM<BR><BR>> To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software <BR>> developers</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Dear Owen,</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>Thank you, it's such an honor to get a reply directly from = <BR>> you. I <BR>> think my</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>issue is faith in myself and in the process. I've read the = <BR>> book <BR>> (some</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>chapters more than once). I think maybe I just needed to = <BR>> hear it <BR>> again in a</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>different way to help me "get" it. I appreciate = <BR>> the <BR>> encouragement. I've</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>seen Open Space work in other scenarios and I just need to trust = <BR>> that <BR>> people</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>will bring the topics that they care about. But I keep = <BR>> thinking I <BR>> have to</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>"do" something to make it work, to allow people to = <BR>> bring <BR>> questions or topics</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>like "How can we lead in a 50K Conglomerate?" and not = <BR>> just <BR>> some engineering</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>topic that they had to spend a week preparing a powerpoint based = <BR>> on <BR>> their</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>prior experience, which is the = <BR>> "box".</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>It's like an ugly itch in the brain, but is there some way to = <BR>> help me <BR>> quiet</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>it down? I keep seeing this image of me opening the space = <BR>> and <BR>> then no one</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>filling in any topic cards, or just a few that didn't get put in = <BR>> the <BR>> first</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoPlainText><FONT face='3D"Courier' size=3 New?><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt'>tracks. Has anyone had experience in a similar situation = <BR>> for <BR>> 30-50</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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+0100 <BR>> From: Koos de Heer <KOOS@AURYN.NL><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> --=====================_8871446==.ALT <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed <BR>> <BR>> Dear Peggy, dear Tova, Tree and all the others who have shared their <BR>> wisdom about time keeping: <BR>> <BR>> This time keeping thing is a frequent topic over here. In an OS <BR>> meeting, it often happens that someone comes up to me and tells me it <BR>> is time to tell the time. People in the Netherlands are very fond two <BR>> things: keeping time and reminding others of their responsibilities <BR>> ;-). So I often get this friendly reminder from a participant that it <BR>> is time for me to tell the time. I never do. If the person looks <BR>> really worried, I explain that this is one of the core principles of <BR>> Open Space: people manage their own agenda. I remind them that I have <BR>> said in my openi
ng "when it is over it is over" and that also means <BR>> that "when it is not over, it is not over." They always remember me <BR>> saying that. I then ask them: "How can we know if it is over or not?" <BR>> They have to agree that we can't. So then we usually agree not to <BR>> tell the time. On other occasions, when they look not so worried, I <BR>> just smile at them. Often they will then say: "Or do people have to <BR>> see for themselves?" I nod, still smiling.They then usually laugh <BR>> about this new discovery and happily go about their business. <BR>> <BR>> Just my 2 cents <BR>> <BR>> Love <BR>> <BR>> Koos <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> At 19:54 14-1-2008, Tree Fitzpatrick wrote: <BR>> >Greetings to all. Before I respond to Peggy's 'town crier' post, I <BR>> >pause to remind all who might be reading that when I share my <BR>> >opinion, I am not putting down others' comments. Sometimes when I <BR>> >have commented
on this list (and others) people seem to hear me <BR>> >putting down others' ideas when I am simply saying "I think <BR>> >this". I am feeling unusually sensitive this morning so I offer this caution. <BR>> > <BR>> >It is fascinating to me, Peggy, to see this post from you <BR>> >today. Last week, I was thinking about open space time and how it <BR>> >works best when we trust ever more deeply within our own selves <BR>> >without regard to others timing. As you know, Peggy, you and I met <BR>> >in person on Friday and we did not discuss open space time but it <BR>> >was alive in my etheric. Perhaps it was alive in me because it was <BR>> >alive in you because of your recent work with Jon. Or perhaps open <BR>> >space time was alive last week and we both tuned in. <BR>> > <BR>> >The above paragraph might sound off-topic but to me, it gets to the <BR>> >very heart of self-organization. The more I belie
ve that things <BR>> >unfold exactly as they ought, well, my goodness, the more they do. <BR>> > <BR>> >Last week when I thought about 'open space time', each time, I <BR>> >thought of you, my dear Peggy. I have worked with you on several <BR>> >multi-day OS events and several times I have been grateful to hear <BR>> >you softly remind the design team 'we are in open space time'. It <BR>> >is my recollection that you have said this when the design team was <BR>> >feeling a time crunch, fretting that we couldn't get in all that we <BR>> >had to get in and then you would say 'we are in open space time' and <BR>> >an ease would settle upon us. <BR>> > <BR>> >We are always in open space. We are always in open space time. As <BR>> >an open space facilitator, I think much like Tova has described in <BR>> >her response to you, Peggy. The quality of how the facilitator holds <BR>> >the space is really
the work of facilitation. We are not <BR>> >timekeepers or town criers. If a facilitator does remind <BR>> >participants of session times, this will be just fine because in <BR>> >open space, there is no right or wrong but I think announcing times <BR>> >is a subtle failure of trust. To me, the work of open space <BR>> >facilitation is much deeper than any particular event and much more <BR>> >important than a client's deliverables. To me, giving a group the <BR>> >opportunity to collaborate in open space on a shared intention is <BR>> >always about much more than the stated goals in the event's <BR>> >invitation. Yes, when we are accountable to a client who has hired <BR>> >us because they wish to achieve goals, sometimes we will calibrate <BR>> >our choices to give the cilent satisfaction. But mostly, I guess I <BR>> >think of open space facilitators as cultural capacity shamans. The <BR>> >human race
urgently needs to learn how to trust that all is well and <BR>> >to trust our inner inklings/guidance and the best wya for the human <BR>> >race to develop these skills is to spend time in openly-acknowledged <BR>> >open space. If someone comes to an OS event and 'all' they get out <BR>> >of the event is that moment when they noticed an inner click that <BR>> >said to them 'it is time to move to another session', well, that is <BR>> >an amazing thing, that is the whole point, that is evolution <BR>> >unfolding. If someone calls the time, we are depriving participants <BR>> >from knowing for their own self what time it is, where they should <BR>> >be, what they should be doing. What an awesome gift to give someone. <BR>> >I will never forget the first moment I got that click when I was in <BR>> >an OS event and I perceived within myself that I was in the wrong <BR>> >room and hey I could follow that inkling unti
l I stood in the place <BR>> >just right. That is os facilitation, if you ask me. <BR>> > <BR>> >I know the above can sound highy impractical to a client with <BR>> >workplace goals to achieve in a 2.5 day open space or a two hour <BR>> >open space. . . but for me, having each participant in an os event <BR>> >begin to better discern their own wisdom, well, it is the whole point. <BR>> > <BR>> >Coming to you from cold, overcast, and windy Whidbey Island. Puget <BR>> >Sound and the Olympic Mountains are within my view, just past the <BR>> >computer screen. I see lots of white caps. It is way cold. I miss <BR>> >my warm, sunny home in California and I have another week of <BR>> >Northwest winter ahead of me. There is a reason I am very cold this <BR>> >week. I am sitting here waiting for that reason to be revealed to <BR>> >me. My fingers are like ice. I write to keep warm. <BR>> > <BR>> >
On 1/14/08, Mickey Averbuch <BR>> ><<mailto:averbuch@post.tau.ac.il>averbuch@post.tau.ac.il> wrote: <BR>> >for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to do it <BR>> >right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" and I am very <BR>> >glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in my <BR>> >daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to bring <BR>> >the use of OST to Israel had put me both in a position I had quite a <BR>> >lot of figuring out to do and, at the same time, felt I have to be a <BR>> >puritan if I am "carrying the message". The lean choice was also a <BR>> >constant dictate to do "one thing less each time" and I believe that <BR>> >as long as we practice this principle, we are on the right track.Beinf <BR>> >fortunatr enough towork and play with many of you, learning from <BR>> >coleagues and freinds all over the world, seeing quit a num
ber of <BR>> >styles, my personal openion is that it is more the presence we ofer <BR>> >than the actual personal wording <BR>> >these are my two cents of the day <BR>> > a happy new year to all, though with some delay <BR>> >Tova Averbuch <BR>> >Holon, Israel <BR>> > <BR>> >Quoting TYASTO <<mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su>tyasto@sapa.nsk.su>: <BR>> > <BR>> > > Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others! <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part of the <BR>> > > world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to different <BR>> > > categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the Siberian <BR>> > > Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's written in their program as <BR>> > > Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come to us for 3 <BR>> > > and often for only 2 hours. It give
s us only 30 minutes for each item: <BR>> > > Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into the <BR>> > circle), 2 <BR>> > > sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have some time for <BR>> > > reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As I call it <BR>> > > Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great majority of our <BR>> > > participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we have a very <BR>> > > short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to have <BR>> > > conversations about issues and opportunities of How to improve their work. <BR>> > > In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while they are <BR>> > > sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling them what they <BR>> > > can do and everything is OK even to go away if they don't like it <BR>> > ( in this <BR>> &g
t; > case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all will be <BR>> > > butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always <BR>> > everywhere, some <BR>> > > people begin to write the topics and all works well. When people at the <BR>> > > Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I wish them <BR>> > > all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and go out. But then <BR>> > > I usually come back at the time of change between sessions to see <BR>> > if they do <BR>> > > it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometimes little bit later <BR>> > > than on the schedule. But their shock of freedom is so big and they have <BR>> > > such a fun talking in their first groups and leaders of the <BR>> > second sessions <BR>> > > are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to take the lead <BR>> > > and say
- now it is time for the second session or they miss it <BR>> > at all. I do <BR>> > > the same as "Town crier", saying - it's time for the second session, but <BR>> > > it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or not. I agree <BR>> > > with Elena that when we have such short time we have to encourage them to <BR>> > > take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes they come all into one <BR>> > > big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is <BR>> > high, they have <BR>> > > great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the reports. <BR>> > > I learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they want during this 2 <BR>> > > or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the <BR>> > best in our <BR>> > > 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. Each time <BR>> > > somebody says "I will do it at my
working place". I give them <BR>> > short written <BR>> > > instructions. <BR>> > > What else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it every time - <BR>> > > have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a 3 minutes <BR>> > > sand-glass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have chance to ask <BR>> > > questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the <BR>> > principle "When <BR>> > > it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs additional discussion. <BR>> > > Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 weeks course <BR>> > > this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see <BR>> > the results <BR>> > > of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say that they <BR>> > > learnt more from each other than from all their other classes. <BR>> > > You will be surprised, bu
t I also collect their reports and type them and <BR>> > > give them back to take home with them as tangible "Collective wisdom", <BR>> > > because it's no other way yet - they don't have access to computers. <BR>> > > So, you see, we really do some more things than you and probably <BR>> > do it in a <BR>> > > different way. But I realized that even 2 hours in open space is more <BR>> > > powerful than two weeks of passive learning from teachers. That <BR>> > is why I try <BR>> > > to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible group. The <BR>> > > shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, where we all <BR>> > > worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions and <BR>> > closing. If <BR>> > > i don't have much time for closing I send the bell and ask people <BR>> > to say one <BR>> > > word or two. It's always positive and i
nspiring. I believe that we have <BR>> > > homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through <BR>> > these short <BR>> > > OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard about a workshop <BR>> > > which is must to participate". We help people to feel happier, more <BR>> > > self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the bell helps us to <BR>> > > do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people tibetian bells <BR>> > > work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come and move it. <BR>> > > With warm greetings from cold Siberia, <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Marina Tyasto <BR>> > > <mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su>tyasto@sapa.nsk.su <mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su><BR>> > > <BR>> > > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > > From: Elena Marchuk [mailto: marco@mail.nsk.ru] <BR>> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM <
BR>> > > To: <mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> > > Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Dear Peggy, <BR>> > > I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work as <BR>> > they care, <BR>> > > but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several time I missed <BR>> > > the time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people are just <BR>> > > seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to give them a <BR>> > > 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and will have time to 'spread' <BR>> > > time for another quant of session, I would probably do, but I'm <BR>> > affraid, may <BR>> > > be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would have just no <BR>> > > time for the next session, so I usualy ring, thoug
h say in opening, that it <BR>> > > is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town Crier, as you <BR>> > > say... <BR>> > > <BR>> > > thank you for the question <BR>> > > warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun shining :) <BR>> > > <BR>> > > elena marchuk <BR>> > > novosibirsk <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > From: Peggy Holman <mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com><BR>> > > To: <BR>> > <mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.ED <BR>> > U <MAILTO: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM <BR>> > > Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into <BR>> > sessions over <BR>> > > the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a tre
nd this way that I <BR>> > > always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be anyone telling <BR>> > > them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own rhythms and <BR>> > > interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I usually forget. <BR>> > > Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses <BR>> > OS a lot but <BR>> > > wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He told me that he <BR>> > > was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions was <BR>> > > starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get started. He came to <BR>> > > me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and asked me <BR>> > > wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I basically told him <BR>> > > that I never did that.
The participants were adults and could <BR>> > figure it out <BR>> > > for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets <BR>> > > people know. And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who <BR>> > > have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> > > does - telling people when it is time to start the next <BR>> > session. I realized <BR>> > > that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they were probably <BR>> > > enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, "It's <BR>> > > 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist thing to do <BR>> > > -- providing information without attachment to how people used it. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand hi
s perspective. <BR>> > > He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start times, are part <BR>> > > of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of his <BR>> > > contract with the group, to give them the information. He <BR>> > doesn't care what <BR>> > > they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town Crier is a good <BR>> > > description of what he does. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> > > something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> > > information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > from sunny (for a change) Seattle, <BR>> > > Peggy <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ________________________________ <BR>> > > Peggy Holman <BR>> > > The Open Circle Company <BR>> > > 15347 SE 49th Place <BR>> >
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slist <BR>> <BR>> --=====================_8871446==.ALT <BR>> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dear Peggy, dear Tova, Tree and all the others who have shared their <BR>> wisdom about time keeping:<BR><BR><BR>> This time keeping thing is a frequent topic over here. In an OS meeting, <BR>> it often happens that someone comes up to me and tells me it is time to <BR>> tell the time. People in the Netherlands are very fond two things: <BR>> keeping time and reminding others of their responsibilities ;-). So I <BR>> often get this friendly reminder from a participant that it is time for <BR>> me to tell the time. I never do. If the person looks really worried, I <BR>> explain that this is one of the core principles of Open Space: people <BR>> manage their own agenda. I remind them that I have said in my opening <BR>> "when it is over it is over" and
that also means that <BR>> "when it is not over, it is not over." They always remember me <BR>> saying that. I then ask them: "How can we know if it is over or <BR>> not?" They have to agree that we can't. So then we usually agree not <BR>> to tell the time. On other occasions, when they look not so worried, I <BR>> just smile at them. Often they will then say: "Or do people have to <BR>> see for themselves?" I nod, still smiling.They then usually laugh <BR>> about this new discovery and happily go about their business.<BR><BR><BR>> Just my 2 cents<BR><BR><BR>> Love<BR><BR><BR>> Koos<BR><BR><BR>> <BR><BR>> At 19:54 14-1-2008, Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:<BR><BR>>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite='3D""' type="3Dcite">Greetings to all. Before I <BR>> respond to Peggy's 'town crier' post, I pause to remind all who might be <BR>> reading that when I share my opinion, I am not putting down others' <BR>> comments. Sometimes when I have commented on this list (and others) <BR>> people seem to hear me putting down others' ideas when I am simply saying <BR>> "I think this". I am feeling unusually sensitive this <BR>> morning so I offer this caution. <BR><BR><BR>> It is fascinating to me, Peggy, to see this post from you today. <BR>> Last week, I was thinking about open space time and how it works best <BR>> when we trust ever more deeply within our own selves without regard to <BR>> others timing. As you know, Peggy, you and I met in person on <BR>> Friday and we did not discuss open space time but it was alive in my <BR>> etheric. Perhaps it was alive in me because it was alive in you because <BR>&
gt; of your recent work with Jon. Or perhaps open space time was alive last <BR>> week and we both tuned in. <BR><BR>> <BR><BR>> The above paragraph might sound off-topic but to me, it gets to the very <BR>> heart of self-organization. The more I believe that things unfold <BR>> exactly as they ought, well, my goodness, the more they do.<BR><BR><BR>> Last week when I thought about 'open space time', each time, I thought of <BR>> you, my dear Peggy. I have worked with you on several multi-day OS <BR>> events and several times I have been grateful to hear you softly remind <BR>> the design team 'we are in open space time'. It is my recollection <BR>> that you have said this when the design team was feeling a time crunch, <BR>> fretting that we couldn't get in all that we had to get in and then you <BR>> would say 'we are in open space time' and an ease would settle upon us. <BR>> <BR><BR><BR>> We are always in open space. We
are always in open space time. As <BR>> an open space facilitator, I think much like Tova has described in her <BR>> response to you, Peggy. The quality of how the facilitator holds the <BR>> space is really the work of facilitation. We are not timekeepers or <BR>> town criers. If a facilitator does remind participants of session <BR>> times, this will be just fine because in open space, there is no right or <BR>> wrong but I think announcing times is a subtle failure of trust. To me, <BR>> the work of open space facilitation is much deeper than any particular <BR>> event and much more important than a client's deliverables. To me, giving <BR>> a group the opportunity to collaborate in open space on a shared <BR>> intention is always about much more than the stated goals in the event's <BR>> invitation. Yes, when we are accountable to a client who has hired us <BR>> because they wish to achieve goals, sometimes we will calibrat
e our <BR>> choices to give the cilent satisfaction. But mostly, I guess I think <BR>> of open space facilitators as cultural capacity shamans. The human <BR>> race urgently needs to learn how to trust that all is well and to trust <BR>> our inner inklings/guidance and the best wya for the human race to <BR>> develop these skills is to spend time in openly-acknowledged open <BR>> space. If someone comes to an OS event and 'all' they get out of <BR>> the event is that moment when they noticed an inner click that said to <BR>> them 'it is time to move to another session', well, that is an amazing <BR>> thing, that is the whole point, that is evolution unfolding. If <BR>> someone calls the time, we are depriving participants from knowing for <BR>> their own self what time it is, where they should be, what they should be <BR>> doing. What an awesome gift to give someone. I will never forget the <BR>> first moment I got that click
when I was in an OS event and I perceived <BR>> within myself that I was in the wrong room and hey I could follow that <BR>> inkling until I stood in the place just right. That is os facilitation, <BR>> if you ask me. <BR><BR><BR>> I know the above can sound highy impractical to a client with workplace <BR>> goals to achieve in a 2.5 day open space or a two hour open space. . . <BR>> but for me, having each participant in an os event begin to better <BR>> discern their own wisdom, well, it is the whole point. <BR><BR><BR>> Coming to you from cold, overcast, and windy Whidbey Island. Puget Sound <BR>> and the Olympic Mountains are within my view, just past the computer <BR>> screen. I see lots of white caps. It is way cold. I miss my warm, <BR>> sunny home in California and I have another week of Northwest winter <BR>> ahead of me. There is a reason I am very cold this week. I am <BR>> sitting here waiting for that reason to be rev
ealed to me. My fingers are <BR>> like ice. I write to keep warm. <BR><BR><BR>> On 1/14/08, <B>Mickey Averbuch</B> <BR>> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:averbuch@post.tau.ac.il"'>averbuch@post.tau.ac.il</A> <BR>> > wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DL><BR>>
<DD>for me it was letting go of the notion that there is "a way to <BR>> do it<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>right". I started by being very puritan"by the book" <BR>> and I am very<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>glad I did. it helped me a lot in stating to live open space in my <BR>> <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>daily life and uncovering what open space is. Being the one to <BR>> bring<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>the use of OST to Israel had put me both in a position I had quite <BR>> a<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>lot of figuring out to do and, at the same time, felt I have to be <BR>> a<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>puritan if I am "carrying the message". The lean choice was <BR>> also a <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>constant dictate to do "one thing less each time" and I <BR>> believe that<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>as long as we practice this principle, we are on the right <BR>> track.Beinf<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>fortunatr enough towork and play with many of you, learning from <BR>> <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>coleagues and freinds all over the world, seeing quit a number <BR>> of<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>styles, my personal openion is that it is more the presence we <BR>> ofer<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>than the actual personal wording<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>these are my two cents of the day<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD> a happy new year to all, though with some delay <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>Tova Averbuch<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>Holon, Israel<BR><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>Quoting TYASTO <BR>> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su"'>tyasto@sapa.nsk.su</A>>:<BR><BR>> <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Dear Peggy, Michael, Elena and others!<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I will support Elena and tell why we are doing this in our part <BR>> of the <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> world. We have the lucky opportunity to introduce OST to <BR>> different<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> categories of the state and municipal civil servants here at the <BR>> Siberian<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Academy for Public Administration (SAPA). It's written in their <BR>> program as <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Business game with the theme on improving their work.They come <BR>> to us for 3<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> and often for only 2 hours. It gives us only 30 minutes for each <BR>> item:<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Introduction (including moving tables and putting chairs into <BR>> the circle), 2 <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> sessions and Closure (in case of 2 hours). In 3 hours I have <BR>> some time for<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> reports, voting and convergence and after it Closing circle. As <BR>> I call it<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Voluntarily-compulsory participation in OST. Great <BR>> majority of our <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> participants have no idea what to expect from this event and we <BR>> have a very<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> short time to invite them and explaine it as a good way to <BR>> have<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> conversations about issues and opportunities of How to improve <BR>> their work. <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> In first 30 minutes they have a collective cultural shock while <BR>> they are<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> sitting in the circle and facilitator going inside telling them <BR>> what they<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> can do and everything is OK even to go away if they don't like <BR>> it ( in this <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> case it is voluntary participation). Common reaction is : We all <BR>> will be<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> butterflies today. Then, as Harrison said it happens always <BR>> everywhere, some<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> people begin to write the topics and all works well. When people <BR>> at the <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Market place are trying to realize what to do and where to go I <BR>> wish them<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> all well and say when we will meet again in the circle and go <BR>> out. But then<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I usually come back at the time of change between sessions to <BR>> see if they do <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> it or not. Sometimes they can do it themselves, sometimes <BR>> little bit later<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> than on the schedule. But their shock of freedom is so big and <BR>> they have<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> such a fun talking in their first groups and leaders of the <BR>> second sessions <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> are too weak to break it, that mostly they expect someone to <BR>> take the lead<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> and say - now it is time for the second session or they miss it <BR>> at all. I do<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> the same as "Town crier", saying - it's time for the <BR>> second session, but <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> it's up to you what you are doing now. Then they can move or <BR>> not. I agree<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> with Elena that when we have such short time we have to <BR>> encourage them to<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> take the lead and organize second groups. Sometimes they come <BR>> all into one <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> big circle and discuss all issues alltogether. The energy is <BR>> high, they have<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> great fun, but some issues even discussed, don't get the <BR>> reports.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I learnt to take it easy and let them do whatever they <BR>> want during this 2 <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> or 3 hours, because I know that at the end they say - it was the <BR>> best in our<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> 2 weeks here and it should be at the beginning of the course. <BR>> Each time<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> somebody says "I will do it at my working place". I <BR>> give them short written <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> instructions.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> What else you don't do normally - listen the reports - I do it <BR>> every time -<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> have them in the circle to share briefly their reports. I have a <BR>> 3 minutes<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> sand-glass and show to them, but don't interrupt. They have <BR>> chance to ask <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> questions or discuss something. If it goes longer I show the <BR>> principle "When<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> it's not over it's not over" and say that it needs <BR>> additional discussion.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Because my class takes place normally at the end of their 2 <BR>> weeks course <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> this sharing in the circle is the only way they could really see <BR>> the results<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> of their work and feel their collective wisdom. They always say <BR>> that they<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> learnt more from each other than from all their other classes. <BR>> <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> You will be surprised, but I also collect their reports and type <BR>> them and<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> give them back to take home with them as tangible <BR>> "Collective wisdom",<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> because it's no other way yet - they don't have access to <BR>> computers. <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> So, you see, we really do some more things than you and <BR>> probably do it in a<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> different way. But I realized that even 2 hours in open space is <BR>> more<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> powerful than two weeks of passive learning from teachers. That <BR>> is why I try <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> to use every opportunity to introduce OST to every possible <BR>> group. The<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> shortest one I had OST in 1,5 hours with a group of trainers, <BR>> where we all<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> worked very fast, but had all 4 items - opening, 2 sessions and <BR>> closing. If <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> i don't have much time for closing I send the bell and ask <BR>> people to say one<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> word or two. It's always positive and inspiring. I believe that <BR>> we have<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> homeopathic influencing on the civil servants in Siberia through <BR>> these short <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> OST classes at SAPA. Some people come and say "I've heard <BR>> about a workshop<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> which is must to participate". We help people to feel <BR>> happier, more<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> self-confident and be leaders. If additional ring of the <BR>> bell helps us to <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> do this, we will ring. By the way, for the Russian people <BR>> tibetian bells<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> work magicly. I also like the arrow, but someone have to come <BR>> and move it.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> With warm greetings from cold Siberia,<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Marina Tyasto<BR><BR>> <BR>>
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<DD>> -----Original Message-----<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> From: Elena Marchuk <BR>> [<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:%20marco@mail.nsk.ru"' eudora='3D"autourl"'>mailto: <BR>> marco@mail.nsk.ru</A>]<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 AM<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> To: <BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"'><BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Dear Peggy,<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I wish I could NOT ring the bells and let participants to work <BR>> as they care,<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> but most OSs I provide are very limited in time, and several <BR>> time I missed<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> the time by chance (though not much...) I could see, that people <BR>> are just <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> seeting and talking in a previous groups. If I had the time to <BR>> give them a<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> 'teach' that it is their way of doing things and will have time <BR>> to 'spread'<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> time for another quant of session, I would probably do, but I'm <BR>> affraid, may <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> be it is ok to be, and just do, but I'm afraid, that we would <BR>> have just no<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> time for the next session, so I usualy ring, though say in <BR>> opening, that it<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> is up to them, how they will work, I would just be a Town Crier, <BR>> as you <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> say...<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> thank you for the question<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> warm hugs from -25 C Siberia with a lot of snow, though sun <BR>> shining :)<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> elena marchuk<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> novosibirsk<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> From: Peggy Holman <BR>> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com"' eudora='3D"autourl"'> <BR>> mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com</A>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> To: <BR>> <A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"'><BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A> <BR>> <<A href='http://mailcenter3.comcast.net/wm/toolbar/3D"mailto:%20OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"' eudora='3D"autourl"'> <BR>> mailto: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:22 PM<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Subject: Thoughts on a Town Crier<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into <BR>> sessions over <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a trend <BR>> this way that I<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> always intend to explicitly tell people that there won't be <BR>> anyone telling<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> them when to move, that it is up to them to follow their own <BR>> rhythms and <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> interests. I haven't quite internalized this yet, so I <BR>> usually forget.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Anyway, I think I may have figured out what is going on.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He <BR>> uses OS a lot but <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> wanted to be able to really participate in this one. <BR>> He told me that he<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> was a little surprised when the first round of breakout sessions <BR>> was<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> starting that I didn't tell people it was time to get <BR>> started. He came to <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> me when the first round after lunch were scheduled to start and <BR>> asked me<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> wasn't I going to ring a bell and let people know? I <BR>> basically told him<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> that I never did that. The participants were adults and <BR>> could figure it out <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> for themselves. He was floored and a little upset. <BR>> He said he always lets<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> people know. And then it dawned on me: there are <BR>> more and more people who<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> have experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners <BR>> doing what Jon <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next <BR>> session. I realized<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, they <BR>> were probably<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> enculturated to responding to a bell.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, <BR>> saying, "It's<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a <BR>> minimalist thing to do<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> -- providing information without attachment to how people used <BR>> it. <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> perspective.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> He said that to him, what is posted, like the session start <BR>> times, are part<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> of the commons and when he is holding the space, that is part of <BR>> his <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> contract with the group, to give them the information. He <BR>> doesn't care what<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> they do once they hear it. So, it strikes me that Town <BR>> Crier is a good<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> description of what he does.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one <BR>> doing <BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on <BR>> providing<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> information that marks the passage of time.<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle,<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>> Peggy<BR><BR>> <BR>>
<DD>><BR><BR>> <BR>>
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ow how to answer, but really want to know it! Don't <BR>> be afraid of making the question too difficult - in open space no question <BR>> is too difficult. <BR>> Maybe you should expand your own thinking of engineers - don't you recognize <BR>> them as ambitious, deeply involved in their own stuff, resultoriented as <BR>> well as "reserved" - My guess is that you can give them a theme building <BR>> upon the believe that they are deeply concerned about something, concerned <BR>> enough to speak and suggest sessions - and hold your own suggestions until <BR>> at least 15 other suggestions are raised... <BR>> <BR>> I'm sure open space will work and you will do a good job! <BR>> <BR>> Lise <BR>> Copenhagen, Denmark <BR>> <BR>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- <BR>> Fra: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] På vegne af Harold <BR>> Shinsato <BR>> Sendt: 14. januar 2008 17:26 <BR>> Til: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR
>> Emne: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Dear Open Spacetronauts, <BR>> <BR>> This is my first post to the list after an excellent training in San <BR>> Francisco in OS Facilitation from Lisa Heft. With a one day OS coming up <BR>> that I'll be facilitating in February, I'm a little daunted by the process <BR>> of building the invitation and the theme and I have a few questions of how <BR>> to manage things during the event. <BR>> <BR>> Some background, we used to be an independent engineering organization of <BR>> about 50 software developers, QA, documentation, and managers in several <BR>> locations in the U.S. and Europe. We used to hold a conventionally <BR>> organized "Summit" with 2 tracks of presentations intended to share <BR>> information about the industry and our own work. We would submit <BR>> suggestions and management would choose the presentations. A few of the <BR>> s
essions would be interactive, but most were powerpoint talking heads. <BR>> <BR>> Last July our 150 person company was acquired by a 5000+ person company, <BR>> which is being acquired by SAP, (40,000+). Even though we've been <BR>> "assimilated", we're still fairly intact as an engineering organization. <BR>> I've been given the ok to hold one of the three days of the Engineering <BR>> Summit as Open Space. It's a great chance to open up great conversations <BR>> about the strains and opportunities around the integration with a larger <BR>> company. <BR>> <BR>> My questions for anyone who has done anything similar: How do I build an <BR>> invitation and a theme to best engage the participants? Engineers are often <BR>> fairly reserved. How can we best prepare them and get them engaged to <BR>> suggest conversation topics when the actual Open Space happens? How can I <BR>> get them thinking outside the box of a PowerPoint lecture? Is it pos
sible <BR>> I'll need to suggest some topics to get them started? Is it ok to talk <BR>> about possible topics in the invitation without overtly pushing and driving <BR>> the agenda? Do I have to hold back from suggesting topics during the agenda <BR>> building session itself, even if I'm not in management. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks so much for any help. <BR>> <BR>> Happy 2008! <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:14:57 +0100 <BR>> From: Koos de Heer <KOOS@AURYN.NL><BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Dear Harold, <BR>> <BR>> I can resonate with your agony. I have held a few Open Space <BR>> conferences for IT people (up to 200) and I have had the same <BR>> worries. But believe me, even the toughest nerds are able to function <BR>> fine in Open Space. Be prepared to sit on your hands for a number of <BR>> seconds. They may be slow to begin, but they
will come. Those few <BR>> seconds after you have opened the floor will last an eternity, but it <BR>> is worth the wait! Please don't do anything to make it easy for them <BR>> - you will ruin the feeling of accomplishment. Just keep breathing. <BR>> <BR>> Koos <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> At 19:20 14-1-2008, Harold Shinsato wrote: <BR>> >Dear Owen, <BR>> > <BR>> >Thank you, it's such an honor to get a reply directly from you. I think my <BR>> >issue is faith in myself and in the process. I've read the book (some <BR>> >chapters more than once). I think maybe I just needed to hear it again in a <BR>> >different way to help me "get" it. I appreciate the encouragement. I've <BR>> >seen Open Space work in other scenarios and I just need to trust that people <BR>> >will bring the topics that they care about. But I keep thinking I have to <BR>> >"do" something to make it work, to allow people to bring questions or topic
s <BR>> >like "How can we lead in a 50K Conglomerate?" and not just some engineering <BR>> >topic that they had to spend a week preparing a powerpoint based on their <BR>> >prior experience, which is the "box". <BR>> > <BR>> >It's like an ugly itch in the brain, but is there some way to help me quiet <BR>> >it down? I keep seeing this image of me opening the space and then no one <BR>> >filling in any topic cards, or just a few that didn't get put in the first <BR>> >tracks. Has anyone had experience in a similar situation for 30-50 <BR>> >engineers in a single department but working on different projects? <BR>> > <BR>> > Harold <BR>> > <BR>> >* <BR>> >* <BR>> >========================================================== <BR>> >OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> >------------------------------ <BR>> >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> >view the archiv
es of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> > <BR>> >To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> >http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:35:16 +0200 <BR>> From: Arno Baltin <ARNO@TLU.EE><BR>> Subject: open space-time <BR>> <BR>> Hi everyone! <BR>> <BR>> This discussion of different time schedules in OS is most intr
iguing. It <BR>> is so often that client wants to get everything and more in shortest <BR>> time period. And this is probably where the need to hurry up comes from. <BR>> Could we just introduce different types of OS - fast, normal and slow OS <BR>> and let the client choose one of them, letting them know that they are <BR>> quite different. It is so seducing to " give somebody the taste of OS", <BR>> to do it fast. And may most wonderful experience as participant was OS <BR>> with three participants for 2,5 days. This was real slow one (in the <BR>> sense of "time is honey"). <BR>> <BR>> with very best regards, <BR>> <BR>> Arno Baltin <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://lis
tserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:36:41 +0600 <BR>> From: Elena Marchuk <MARCO@MAIL.NSK.RU><BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> Hi Michael, <BR>> thank you for the letter and especially for the reminding me about adhesive <BR>> tape rolled together .... which I saw, when Marina used it, but ususlly did <BR>> not use myself. My thoughts went only to magnets as a possible way out (need <BR>> to work more on my brains - to train them :) <BR>> <BR>> and thank you for the picture, I like it. and arrow ... and especially I <BR>> like a new item in the agenda - pause, which is from 8:30 to 9:00. I will <BR>> never dream of such an item in an agenda! Do you mean coffee-break by that? <BR>> <BR>> it is also interestin
g, how different people organize their 'seeing <BR>> materials' <BR>> I really enjoyed that! <BR>> <BR>> thank you very much <BR>> warm hugs from cold Siberia <BR>> Elena <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Michael M Pannwitz" <MMPANNE@BOSCOP.ORG><BR>> To: <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:51 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Dear Elena, <BR>> > oh, this arrow is very hightech, of course. <BR>> > It is made of 160g red heavy paper, cut with a scissor. <BR>> > It is attached to the schedule either with a pin in case the surface <BR>> > permits that or with a short piece of adhesive tape rolled together and <BR>> > stuck to the backside (a chewing gum might do the trick, too)...the point <BR>> > is, it needs to be movable. <BR>> > Constructing this time arrow is one of the tasks in setting up an open <BR>>
; > space as described in the set of task cards...usually team members get <BR>> > into a fight over who gets to do that task. The word "now" (in German <BR>> > "jetzt", which by the way is a wonderful old word containing both the <BR>> > roots for "now" and "eternity", a real open space word)is written on both <BR>> > sides of the arrow so that the arrow can point either to the right or to <BR>> > the left. As I said, hi tech. <BR>> > In the following link you see the time arrow being used in a <BR>> > German/Russian open space with both languages shown on the time arrow <BR>> >> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/100 <BR>> > <BR>> > Have fun <BR>> > mmp <BR>> > <BR>> > Elena Marchuk wrote: <BR>> >> Hi Michael, thank you for the idea, <BR>> >> I love it and will think, how to do it on my time/place schedule <BR>> >> and wonder, what do you mean by cardboard arrow? <BR>> &
gt;> is it magnetic? <BR>> >> as usually I have just space near the blackboard, which I use to be free <BR>> >> for posters, and it is just for one flip-chart paper and no space for a <BR>> >> sort of one-arrow watch, which I thought first of... so it could be an <BR>> >> arrow just over the words : session1, session 2 - which would need a big <BR>> >> arrow....sorry, and happy, I have fun with thinking about this <BR>> >> take care <BR>> >> and best wishes in a Happy New Year, today in Russia is an OLD (ortodox) <BR>> >> Happy New Year, so we have 2 of them and very happy to celibrate <BR>> >> everything twice (our Christas was on January, 7:) <BR>> >> elena marchuk <BR>> >> novosibirsk <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael M Pannwitz" <BR>> >> <MMPANNE@BOSCOP.ORG><BR>> >> To: <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE
.EDU><BR>> >> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:14 AM <BR>> >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Town Crier <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >>> Dear Peggy, <BR>> >>> I have never seen anybody in these parts do what Jon does. <BR>> >>> That might have different reasons such as the many training events and <BR>> >>> local OSonOS people have participated in... <BR>> >>> What is done here a lot and I always do it, is to have a detailed <BR>> >>> schedule posted on a large flipchart complete with a time arrow (a <BR>> >>> little red cardboard arrow with the word "now" written on it). When <BR>> >>> introducing the schedule to the group I also point out the function of <BR>> >>> the arrow...me or another team member and often participants themselves <BR>> >>> move the arrow as the event progresses. My line is: In case you lose <BR>> >>> t
rack of time or wonder what is next just walk up to the schedule and <BR>> >>> have a look at the arrow. <BR>> >>> Of course, sometimes people come up to me and ask about beginning times, <BR>> >>> my response is to just point to the schedule...I would hate to add a <BR>> >>> town crier to my repertoire seems it would be one more thing to do and <BR>> >>> one chance for selforganisation and selfmanagement taken away. <BR>> >>> Here is a few links to show examples of schedules with the time arrow <BR>> >>>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/102 <BR>> >>>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/99 <BR>> >>>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/100 <BR>> >>>> http://www.boscop.org/page/show/101 <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Have a great day in Seattle! <BR>> >>> Greetings from Berlin <BR>> >>> mmp <BR>> &g
t;>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Peggy Holman wrote: <BR>> >>>> Has anyone noticed more milling about before people move into <BR>> >>>> sessions over the last few years? I'd been noticing enough of a <BR>> >>>> trend this way that I always intend to explicitly tell people that <BR>> >>>> there won't be anyone telling them when to move, that it is up to <BR>> >>>> them to follow their own rhythms and interests. I haven't quite <BR>> >>>> internalized this yet, so I usually forget. Anyway, I think I may <BR>> >>>> have figured out what is going on. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> I just did an OS for a friend for a group of about 50. He uses OS a <BR>> >>>> lot but wanted to be able to really participate in this one. He <BR>> >>>> told me that he was a little surpri
sed when the first round of <BR>> >>>> breakout sessions was starting that I didn't tell people it was time <BR>> >>>> to get started. He came to me when the first round after lunch were <BR>> >>>> scheduled to start and asked me wasn't I going to ring a bell and let <BR>> >>>> people know? I basically told him that I never did that. The <BR>> >>>> participants were adults and could figure it out for themselves. He <BR>> >>>> was floored and a little upset. He said he always lets people know. <BR>> >>>> And then it dawned on me: there are more and more people who have <BR>> >>>> experienced OS. Perhaps there are many practitioners doing what Jon <BR>> >>>> does - telling people when it is time to start the next session. I <BR>> >>>> realized that since most of these folks came at Jon's invitation, <BR>> >>>> they were p
robably enculturated to responding to a bell. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> So I took what seemed a middle ground to me and rang a bell, saying, <BR>> >>>> "It's 1:30 and all's well." I figured a town crier was a minimalist <BR>> >>>> thing to do -- providing information without attachment to how people <BR>> >>>> used it. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> I then spoke more with Jon because I wanted to understand his <BR>> >>>> perspective. He said that to him, what is posted, like the session <BR>> >>>> start times, are part of the commons and when he is holding the <BR>> >>>> space, that is part of his contract with the group, to give them the <BR>> >>>> information. He doesn't care what they do once they hear it. So, it <BR>> >>>> strikes me that Town Crier is a good description of what he does. <BR>> >>>>
<BR>> >>>> Given the trend I mentioned, I suspect Jon isn't the only one doing <BR>> >>>> something like this. I'd love to hear other thoughts on providing <BR>> >>>> information that marks the passage of time. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> from sunny (for a change) Seattle, Peggy <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> ________________________________ Peggy Holman The Open Circle Company <BR>> >>>> 15347 SE 49th Place Bellevue, WA 98006 (425) 746-6274 <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> www.opencirclecompany.com <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: <BR>> >>>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get <BR>> >>>> burnt, is to become the fire
". -- Drew Dellinger <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> * * ========================================================== <BR>> >>>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To <BR>> >>>> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <BR>> >>>> oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> >>>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> >>>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist-- <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg <BR>> >>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany <BR>> >>> ++49-30-772 8000 <BR>> >>> www.boscop.org www.michaelmpannwitz.de <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Check out
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slist <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> ========================================================== <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, <BR>> view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <BR>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html <BR>> <BR>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: <BR>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:38:58 -0700 <BR>> From: Harold Shinsato <HAROLD@SHINSATO.COM><BR>> Subject: Re: Advice for an OS for learning & sharing for software developers <BR>> <BR>> Dear Owen, <BR>> <BR>> Thanks for making me laugh with some of your insights, especially about <BR>> perhaps looking around for another company if the session is short. Bein= <BR>> g <BR>> genetically half-Japanese, I'm a little familia
r with the Japanese-Engine= <BR>> er <BR>> effect. It has something to do with politeness and respect for authority= <BR>> .=20 <BR>> I'm really American but the genes do have their say. A native American a= <BR>> t <BR>> our San Francisco Open Space facilitation training mentioned how "Respect= <BR>> <BR>> for Elders" can often cause the Youngers to go silent. Some extra <BR>> facilitator work was needed but I think that was outside the context of O= <BR>> pen <BR>> Space. In any case, I appreciate the guidance to trust my colleagues. T= <BR>> hey <BR>> really are smart, and not that shy. Sometimes I do wonder if they really= <BR>> <BR>> trust that if they bring real issues whether it will make a difference to= <BR>> <BR>> the managers who make the decisions, and whether it would be safe to stan= <BR>> d <BR>> up. There is the famous Japanese proverb that "The nail that sticks out <BR>> will be hammered down." But clearly
Open Space has worked in Japan and <BR>> other similar cultures, so it can work in my group. <BR>> <BR>> When I asked for permission to bring Open Space to our conference, I aske= <BR>> d <BR>> for the whole event but suggested if that other conferences put an Open <BR>> Space at the end - so that's what we did. I really look forward to the <BR>> after buzz. My hope is that next time they won't settle for just one day= <BR>> of <BR>> Open Space. <BR>> <BR>> And Koos, thanks for the encouragement to breathe and sit on my hands if <BR>> necessary! <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Harold <BR>> <BR>> =20=20=20=20=20 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> * <BR>> * <BR>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 <BR>> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= <BR>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU <BR>> ----------------------------- <BR>>
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