<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:14 AM, Deborah Hartmann wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> > Kaliya has tried to clarify what Open Space is with people who were doing some kind of hybrid unconferencing but calling it open space. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>mmm....</DIV><DIV>not really clear why you insist that it is hybrid unconferencing 'but calling it Open space".</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am doing open space (in a relatively pure form) and some times adding other forms to the edges - this would be other large scale participatory things that help bring group cohesion and understanding - like spectorgrams or fishbowls - these are shared experience times that go deeper then 'morning and evening news'. There is also this fun thing called Speed Geeking that works really well for geeks sharing stuff.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> I don't call All that stuff "OPEN SPACE" I call the open space method open space and the other method's what they are called. The majority of the time is spent in open space. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> Often we also have an 'on ramp' afternoon to get newbies etc to get up to speed on the latest technologies and standards. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> Speaking from experience: this is REALLY challenging, and "good for you!" Kaliya for taking on the challenge! Techies discovering unconferencing can be enthralled by the "cowboy" freedom they see, and get quite resistant to adding back any discipline around their conferences. However, it can soon enough degenerate into something less than open :-( <BR> <BR> And, while we're listing those pioneering OST with techines, don't forget Michael Hermann who opened space at Agile Software Development conferences as early as, I believe, 2001. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Michael!)<BR> <BR> deb<BR> <BR> Chris Corrigan wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite="mid:5a91755f0708222059ob34b6b1ya13d21bbf7ae4019@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Tree...just for some clarification about what I know of Kaliya's work...<BR> <BR> When the tech community first discovered "unconferencing" in about 2002 or 2003, several of us piped up about using Open Space Technology to run conferences. For as long as I can remember Harrison has been saying things like "Open Space is the internet in real life" so when techies discovered OST, I thought "What took you guys so long?" <BR> <BR> An interesting thing happened in the tech world around unconferencing. The way I understand it, several people tried to use OST and they were rebuffed by conference organizers who were keen to jump on the new wave, but not so keen to actually try an OS. <BR> <BR> From what I know of Kaliya (and Deborah Hartmann, and there may be others), she has taken up the challenge full bore of helping the tech community really discover the power of Open Space, by helping them really use it. She has written extensively about why one shouldn't mess with the process - why the integrity of the proces is important, and what people miss when they start messing with the process. I am also aware that Kaliya has tried to clarify what Open Space is with people who were doing some kind of hybrid unconferencing but calling it open space. <BR> <BR> So, in short, I personally have a great interest in Kaliya's experience, because she is on the edge of addressing these questions in a big and active community that talks al ot to each other. How she has dealt with luminaries, used elements of OST and seen the process mashed and bent should be in a book somewhere. And I have let her know on several occasions how much I have appreciated her stand for clarity about what OST is and what it isn't. <BR> <BR> Anyway I just thought I add that for clarity, and I guess as kind of a public appreciation for Kaliya's work. Tree, I think your questions are good ones for people like Dave Winer, an influential unconferencer (Google him) and many others who almost get it but not quite. <BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> <BR> Chris</BLOCKQUOTE> <PRE class="moz-signature" cols="60">--
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