Hi Peggy. Thanks for stimulating such a nice discussion.<br><br>In your initial post, Peggy, you said that you were thinking that perhaps, in the future, you might talk to luminaries before hand. I am curious: did the luminary who said they were unhappy with the 'new-age' circle and the questions that seemed to be about nothing, well, did this luminary identify him/herself to you in advance as special, as a luminary who merited special attention? How would you know who to give this special treatment to, in advance?. . . .
<br><br>I am sitting with other questions.<br><br>Is there some insights anyone can share related to what it might mean if someone sees a gathering of his/her peers, someone is attracted to an event because the topic and the reputation of the spaceholders has beckoned them and then these individuals don't quick click with the event? Must an event please all the people all the time? Must luminaries always be left happy? Does it say something about the success or failure of an event if one, two, several participants chose to not enter open space? We can't please all of the people all of the time. Should OS please all of the people all of the time? Is there something about the adaptive energy of those who who up at a gathering of their professional peers, talking about the future of their profession, and these people aren't interested in being in open space, to listening with open space hearts and minds? Maybe there is a larger arc at play here, Peggy. Maybe these luminaries are not in sync with some central energy underlying the invitation, the questions, the conversations? Maybe the luminaries didn't fit in because they didn't fit in.
<br><br>I know there is lots of wisdom in luminaries and sometimes I want to benefit from their wisdom even if I am frustrated that they approach their ego in old paradigm kind of ways. And sometimes, well, sometimes they didn't blend in because, well, they didn't blend in.
<br><br>I have been redundant.<br><br>I am wondering, Peggy, how you feel about the OS media event? Do you feel something important was lost because your luminary felt disengaged? I invite you to think carefully, both about the event and the field you and Stephen are leading in your inquiry around journalism. Somehow, I find myself thinking, wishing-to-believe?, that the field was served just exactly right by the event, and part of the perfection was in what happened to that luminary.
<br><br>Maybe it is too late and I am babbling and not saying anything?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/19/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Peggy Holman</b> <<a href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com">peggy@opencirclecompany.com
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<div>Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I do think the personal
touch, from someone, matters. That's what I took from Ralph and Deborah's
stories. </div>
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<div>BTW, there was a facebook for the event. The roster is here: <a href="http://www.mediagiraffe.org/wiki/index.php/Jtm-dc-roster" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.mediagiraffe.org/wiki/index.php/Jtm-dc-roster
</a>;
participants got bios and pictures in advance. I've been doing that with
quite a few events and it does a great job of giving people a heads up on who is
in the room.</div>
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<div>appreciatively,</div><span class="sg">
<div>Peggy</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none;"><b>Subject:</b> [OSLIST] FW: The challenge of
"luminaries"</div>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Deborah – I think
your idea of a "facebook" sent out in advance is a great one. And it would
avoid doing a "round the circle" at the beginning, which I personally find
less than useful for two reasons. First it delays the actual start when people
go to work – and this is the most important consideration for me. Secondly,
all those names and needs/wants/desires badly confuses this old mind. After
the first two or three I just hit "overload." For our up coming OSONOS
by the Sea I sent out a full participant list and invited people to add
whatever information/requests they might want. Some people chose to remain a
mystery (great!) and others wrote a whole bunch. How much of this actually
gets read I don't know, but a number of folks said it was useful and fun.
Since email addresses were also included, the party started early, which was
wonderful.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I am a little less
enthusiastic about special guided tours done by the facilitator – though it is
certainly a nice idea. I find one of the great things about an Open Space is
the speed with which new comers are included – some of this just happens on
its own, and in other cases participants will notice a stranger looking a
little lost and take them under their wing. I really like that as it serves to
build and bond the community. If the lost guest is "important" having some
"just plain folk" do the job can be wonderful. And who knows a useful
connection could be made. At most I (as the facilitator) might suggest to one
of the "older" participants that "so and so" looks a little lost – maybe you
could take them on a tour – sort of thing. That way I can hold the space and
members of the community take active responsibility for the inclusion. Win/Win
– I think.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Harrison</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">
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On Behalf Of </span></b>Deborah Hartmann<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:34
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Subject:</span></b> Re: The challenge of
"luminaries"</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext;"></span></font></p></div>
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<p><font color="#333399" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hello Kerry:<br><br>> address their presence during
the introduction<br><br>I hesitate to address the presence of particular
people during the introduction. I see it as a "democratizing circle" and as
such, I strive to communicate the message that we are all equals, and so we
are equally responsible for our experience of the event. No matter whether we
specify that "luminaries" are equal to everyone else, we's negate this by
simply naming them and not everyone else!<br><br>Here's an idea: Something
that emerged at RoCoCo was a round of "needs and offers", though it happened
too late, in the opinion of many. We went around the circle stating what we
needed (ideas, collaborators, hardware, software) and our offers (some offered
skills, resources, collaborative sites, and others answered just-stated needs,
ex: "I have an old computer like that, let's talk"). This would allow
luminaries to introduce themselves, equally with others, allow them (if they
choose) to align themselves as members of this OST event's "people". I think
attendance at this activity would need to be voluntary, as it takes some time
and perhaps people would rather network informally. This would have been
useful to us, as we had decided not to call out any particular participants in
the opening.<br><br>I'm not sure where this fits... we thought that if we'd
done this at the start, people would have had an idea of who was there and how
they could help them. Ex: If I'd know people from the citizen journalism
movement were present, I would have posted a session: how is Citizen
Journalism changing the face of news? But as it was, I only discovered their
presence afterwards. <br><br>Ideas: Perhaps, do it as part of a social the
prior evening, before we open the space? Another idea was a "needs and offers"
wiki page or wall - the problem being that using the wall for this removes the
human face from the transaction. We could encourage people to do this at
registration, so we could browse the list of who's coming and their
needs/offers (sometimes this happens with BarCamps). Hey, could a facebook
group be used for this?!! This activity would have been particularly useful
for our type of OST - it was not so much a "themed" event as a "community
gathering" event - a particular flavour of OST I'm seeing a lot in the Tech
community now. "The right people" are the ones who want to be part of the
community, in general - and it's often a big surprise what interests and
skills they bring! It's as if a "community gathering" OST is simply a
coalescence at a particular time/place of a continual OST event which is the
community itself.<br><br>deb<br><br>kerry napuk wrote:
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font color="#333399" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Peggy <br><br>When faced
with "luminaries," experts, speakers et al, maybe it would help to address
their presence during the introduction. A facilitator could note their
valued participation and opportunity to be on equal terms with an audience,
experiencing the need to discuss and exchange views rather than be lectured
at. <br><br>It might even be fun! <br><br>Cheers <br><br>Kerry <br>Edinburgh
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