<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 21, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What personal growing edges, if any, - read: blindspots- are contributing to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">making the choices and experiencing the difficulties you have mentioned in</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the recent threads in working with OST?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Might deciding not to work in a circle because it is felt that IT people are</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not ready for it be robbing them of the opportunity to experience something</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">that might help them be much more productive?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What I put forward to you has worked really well for me in the Tech communities I have grown and cultivated. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> I have an very high level of credibility and trust among very very senior people in the industry (to people in BIG corporations) in part because I built trust with them and the community I helped to build "OVER TIME" (we are having our 5th event in the fall (we do them every 6 months). This last OST we closed with a group poem. My goal with each event is to expand their process horizons every time. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> These people now tell me they have a much lower tolerance for 'talking heads' conferences and events with 5 papers....they are in love with open space.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> Part of the reason for this I believe was my choice - my perception of where they were at culturally as a group and what i could do - interms of pushing their boundaries - (having NO agenda was already pushing it at the beginning) an not going 'over board' in the pushing. It is not like I had a client or committee I was pleasing by not doing a circle- I was it - the designer/facilitator (I always run my event designs by my co-producer and a process ally in my tech community).. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have participated in OST meetings which did not begin or end in a circle.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And, I am not sure they invite the whole person. What, in that case, are we</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">inviting?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Fine. The point is they start to show up - the whole person can emerge in time in a community. Me alienating them at the beginning culturally. </DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"Luminaries" is a curious word. What might we call the rest of the people at</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">a gathering with this social group present?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>They are just more 'famous' then the other people there - they are normally keynoters, or at the very panalists regularly at a certain circuit of events. They can also be 'internet famous' or just someone respected in their field. </DIV></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Regards, <DIV>=Kaliya<BR><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>*
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