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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007>your whole point of we
need to be as </SPAN>intentional and catalytic<SPAN class=656554123-31052007> as
possible is great.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림 size=2>it
has dawned on me that the point you've been trying to make might be
the resonnance of the self-organizing nature of our conversations amongt us
on this oslist... in fact that seems to be what happens in mindful,
peaceful conversation...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007></SPAN><SPAN
class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림 size=2>with
much respect...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림 size=2>Love
& Peace,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656554123-31052007></SPAN><SPAN
class=656554123-31052007><FONT face=굴림 size=2>park</FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kaliya
Hamlin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: "rules" and
self-organization<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>It is nice you all want to be so 'free form' about things and
'believe' that humans just 'self-organize'.
<DIV>Â </DIV>
<DIV>My experience has taught me that leaning to far in this direction actually
creates a lot of dissonance for people and leads to spaces with negative
energy.</DIV>
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<DIV>Having a person or better a group of people taking responsiblity for
holding the space creating a nest if you will... within which people feel safe
to 'open up' and explore with each other possibilities.... out of this space
this nest is born new action and activity.</DIV>
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<DIV>At this time on our planet we need to be as intentional and catalytic as
possible in creating space for new possibilities of our civilization to
emerge....being passive and hoping that people conditioned the way they are in
our current culture will some how 'magically' 'awake' and 'self-organize' is to
me hopelessly naive. </DIV>
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<DIV>Diffusing the simple tools and 'rules'Â or principles and practices
is one of the things that could make the most difference at this time on
our planet. </DIV>
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<DIV>My experience is that professional communities (that is people
coming together to use this methodology in peer-to-peer professional network
(outside 'AN' organization) settings) seeking to take action together learn the
way OST works and take to it....it becomes the new norm -the shared way of doing
things together that they work on. It lets all the passion talent and
energy come forward and the people who are interested find each other because
there is enough structure ... just enough that it is functional and effective
for them to spend their time in the space together.  THIS IS
important. I somethings think people undervalue peoples time and energy by all
this 'it just happens' talk....well if you help it happen and you follow some
simple steps it is like 10x better. THAT MATTERS for the state of the
world and to respect peoples time and energy for showing up.</DIV>
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<DIV>On May 30, 2007, at 4:19 PM, openspacekorea wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2>great! i agree with your point 100%.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2>thank u...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2>Love and Peace,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671011623-30052007><FONT face=굴림
color=#0000ff size=2>park</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> OSLIST [<A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph Copleman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 30, 2007
10:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
"rules" and self-organization<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face="Times, Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">One way to test what is essential (what Artur termed
"micro") and what is not would be to open some space without mentioning either
the four principles or the law of two feet. Â Or anything else.<BR><BR>If
self-organization occurs in os, would not the "space" still "open" without
things we have come to believe are essential? Â I'm betting it would, or
at least could. Â Perhaps all we need is a room and a theme and a wall.
 Maybe some tea and coffee.  How free are we?
 <BR><BR>Picture it.  You're invited, so you show up because the
theme interests you or you know the inviter. Â You get there, see the
theme statement on the wall, and nothing but a circle of chairs.
 Nothing.  Not even a facilitator.  Others arrive.
 The only things you share at this point are your presence and your
presumed interest in the theme.<BR><BR>If self-organization is real, is not
the space already open? Â It may take longer, but might relevant, useful
conversations begin?<BR><BR>I think the facilitator meets our need for an
authority figure (a perfectly natural, good thing, most of the time), and the
ideas about feet, insects, etc. a minimal unifying structure (think of it
perhaps as curbs to a boulevard?) that steer us into an opening, a place we
have agreed, by showing up, we want to be. Â OS in action
<I>resembles</I> self-organization, but it isn't the pure thing. Â (Not
that it really matters.  I love it simply because it’s the best way I
know to show people what evolution on Earth is really like. Â And it
produces great results for my clients.)<BR><BR>One more rumpled notion occurs
this morning... Â What about the storytelling role, the thing we do as
facilitators to connect people entering an open space to a greater whole?
 I know this is important, but is not the facilitator simply reminding
people of a story they already know, deep down? Â If
self-organization/evolution is real, it’s been working far longer than
humans have even  been around.  Might we not trust this process?
 How far can we go?<BR><BR><BR>Ralph
Copleman<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>* *
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