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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>first of all thanks a lot for this the discussion on "whatever
happens...". I'm learning a lot from all of you! :-). My reflection
follows<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><b><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>The principles in Italy<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> This is how normally people reacts to the
principles here in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Italy</st1:country-region></st1:place>
- at least in my experience (from the latter to the first one).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>4. When it's over......: It's definitely the principle
that hits more the imagination of the people. My feeling is that happens cause
this principle invites people to break some of the rules that they can't normally
break during their daily life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>3. Whenever starts.....: this is the Italian
principle, as <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place> has always said. People
don't seem to be really caught by it, probably cause this principle is so
strongly part of Italian culture that for most of the people is simply "a
fact of life".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>2. what ever happens.....: same experience as most of
you, a lot of the people reacts to this principle with a bad feeling - they perceive
it as an invitation to be fatalist. More then a time it has happened to me that
during the talking stick people have commented this principle, saying that in
the opening they had a bad feeling while at the end they had understand the
real meaning of it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Who ever comes .....: normally people seem quite neutral
about it. And some times my feeling is that they perceive it as a sort of
justification of the work of the organiser - something like "I apologise
for the absence of some important actors, it's not my fault and please don't be
influenced by it". So in some way they perceive it as the exact opposite
of what it should be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><b><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Presenting and explaining the
principles and the law<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Few weeks ago I was discussing about how to open the
space with a colleague, and she was saying that in her opinion the presentation
of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>the principles should not take too long – exactly
cause they are simply “facts of life”, everybody knows them. And
that their presentation is useful only to make clear that the big issue of an
OST is the NOW. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now this is exactly the opposite of what I have been
doing in this years (and she was suggesting me to change my way of opening the
space). When I open the space I spend quite a lot of time introducing the principles.
I do this cause:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>- I want to give participant the right (control) comprehension
of the principles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>- Even if the idea that the principles are "facts
of life" is fascinating and probably deeply true, when I introduce the
principle I normally end up with a sort of final invitation that sounds like "even
if this principles and the law may appear to you not very important or even a
little bit extravagant, be aware that they are really serious and that the
productivity of this open space will depend strongly by your ability to follow
the principles and apply the "one law" of the open space. You all know
how difficult is to let them go </span></font><font face=Wingdings><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><span lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A big ciao <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>ge<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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