Thanks for your response, Arno.<br><br>It's so important that translation captures the essence.<br><br>In Haiti, the direct translation of the principle uses the same language that has been used in the past by radical groups indicating, "if your car get's blown up, if your windshield or head get's crushed by a rock or a bullet, it's that what happened. We're on the warpath for change. Violence and destruction is likely to happen."<br><br>John <br><br><b><i>Arno Baltin <arno@tlu.ee></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Dear Gabriela, and others,<br><br>In Estonian the printciple is translated so that "what ever happens" is <br>understood as something that will happen in future (although we dont <br>have grammatical future). At the same time "happens" has in everyday use <br>mostly negative connotation. When a child comes to parent with unhappy <br>face, the parent will probably
ask "what happened?". Or there is a <br>saying "we will be friends whatever happens". So when people first time <br>hear the principle of "what ever happens" in OS it sounds a bit like a <br>warning that things might go "wrong" but there is still no need to worry <br>about it. If in English "happens" and "happy" sounds quite similar (at <br>least to foreigners ear) then in Estonian closest association with <br>"happens" is "accident".<br><br>with best regards,<br><br>Arno<br> <br><br>Gabriela Ender wrote:<br>> Dear John, and others,<br>><br>> I want to come back to your wonderful thoughts regarding this <br>> principle because I like the way you have been experimenting in <br>> Haitian Creole and in English with very much: "*What Happens is what <br>> happens - learn and move forward."*<br>> <br>> And you have added: "This principle helps us to not lament over <br>> should'ves, to not wallow in regrets. We're all responsible for how we <br>>
use our time and space together during this meeting. Let's assume that <br>> responsibility and be prepared to accept what happens and to <br>> continually strive to learn and to keep moving forward."<br>> <br>> I totally agree and I like they way you describe it!<br>> <br>> I have a question. Would it be also okay to say: "*What happened is <br>> what happened - learn and move forward*." ? I mean "What happened is <br>> what happened" (it is past - so we cannot change it anymore) and <br>> "learn and move forward." is present ... with responsibility in my/our <br>> "here and now".<br>> "What happens is what happens" sounds for me (as a foreign English <br>> speaking person) like it is the present and for "here and now" we are <br>> responsible ... how we use our time. Therefore I think that <br>> changing the first part of this principle variant "into past" could <br>> express the "when its over its over" in it a bit better
and would make <br>> a distinction to present and concsious responsibilty.<br>> I would appreciate your and the opinion from others a lot. Thank you <br>> very much!<br>><br>> Warmly,<br>> Gabriela<br>> * * ========================================================== <br>> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU ------------------------------ To <br>> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <br>> oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu: <br>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about <br>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist <br><br>*<br>*<br>==========================================================<br>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>------------------------------<br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<br>view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu:<br>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html<br><br>To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists
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