Yes, the folks in Moscow made their decision. . . . and I have heard lots and lots of conversation with open space facilitators from around the world (yes, some of these people actually talk to me on the phone, like, love and respect me) about that decision.
<br><br>The folks in Moscow had every right to make the decision they made.<br><br>And I, over here in California, have a right to think what I think, to want what I want, to say what I think and want, etc.<br><br>That's all I was doing. Now that I have watched myself posted three reactive letters to Yana's violation of my privacy, I see that I am being very reactive this morning. I don't care deeply about the decision to hold OSonOS in Kiev this year. . . . but it really pisses me off that Yana stole my words and posted them. I don't care if the list knows what I think. . . . but I feel a little raped by Yana.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/10/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">TYASTO</b> <<a href="mailto:tyasto@sapa.nsk.su">tyasto@sapa.nsk.su</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Dear
Yana and Ukraininan team,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">take
it easy. A decision making procedure in Moscow was a long one and everybody
could say what they wanted and vote as they wished. </font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I wish
you a success and lots of energy!</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Warm
regards,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Marina
Tyasto</font></span></div><div><span class="e" id="q_111dbc604bf63c5a_1">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Yana Demenko
[mailto:<a href="mailto:yana@demenko.info" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">yana@demenko.info</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:54
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> angry
feedback<br><br></font></div>
<div>Dear OS Community, </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>WOSonOS hosting team have got a very interesting feedback from Tree
Fitzpatrick. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm not going to comment it but I feel responsibility to share
this mail with all of you. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Whatever happens is the only thing that could have ... </div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best regards, </div>
<div>Yana Demenko </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>[e-mail] <a href="mailto:yana@demenko.info" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">yana@demenko.info</a></div>
<div>[post] p.o.box 4B, Kyiv-1, 01001, Ukraine </div>
<div>[web] <a href="http://www.demenko.info" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.demenko.info</a> </div>
<div>[skype] yana_demenko </div>
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<div><br>
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From:</span></span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"> Tree Fitzpatrick [<a href="mailto:therese.fitzpatrick@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mailto:therese.fitzpatrick@gmail.com</a>]
</span><br style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><b style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">
Sent:</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:21 AM</span><br style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><b style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">
<span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">To:</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"> GURT
Resource Centre for NGO Development</span><br style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><b style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">
<span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;">Subject:</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Tahoma;"> Re:
Invitation to 15th Worldwide Open Space on Open
Space</span></span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p></div>
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<p style="font-size: 16px; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">
I have absolutely no
interest in attending the OSonOS in Kiev this year. I am writing to
tell you why I am not interested. And I am writing to complain that you have
sent me this invitation. Where did you get my email? You did not
have my permission to use it.</span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">I was disappointed
that people at OSonOS in Moscow hijacked this important international
gathering of OS practitioners from around the world and insisted on taking
the event to Kiev this year. The OSonOS gathering belongs to
practitioners around the world and it has norms and traditions that you
folks refused to honor when you decided to 'steal' the event to Kiev this
year. A key tradition of OSonOS International has been to move around
the world.</span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">I understand that one
of your organizers was very aggressive in Moscow, insisting on forcing
OSonOS to Kiev. This makes me angry and under no circumstances would I
attend an event that was demanded like this: I feel like coming would
be tantamount to giving in to a child after he had a tantrum. You
folks in Kiev were free to steal the event. . . but you could never win my
support of it.</span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">And, parenthetically,
as it happens, Raffi did something similar at Halifax OSonOS in 2005.
The group was leaning towards having OSonOS 2006 in Scotland and Raffi stood
up and said "I don't care what you people want, there is going to be an
international OSonOS in Moscow this year" and the Halifax group gave in to
Raffi. I mention this because now I am wondering if the Slavic world
is littered with bullies who think that imposing their will on people is
good collaboration? </span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">I also wonder if
whoever that guy was, it was someone from Kiev who was in Moscow at last
year's conference, really gives a shit about the rest of the world of OS
practitioners. I wonder if this guy realizes that senior OS
practitioners all over the world have heard about this behavior.</span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">
I venture to guess
that you are going to have a very low turnout at this event. I suspect
lots of people feel the way I do, that the conference was birthed in an
atmosphere of coersion, which is NOT open space at all, is it?</span><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><br style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Times New Roman;">
Please don't send me
any more emails. I have reported you to my email provider as
spam.</span></span></font></p>
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