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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Nancy -- I guess I don't see this as a matter of "bias" --
but rather -- long experience and firm conviction. That some people possess
great and valuable stores of knowledge is a certainty. And you are certainly
correct, the really good ones are exquisitely sensitive to their limitations.
However, my experience has been that the rate of transfer of useful knowledge
from the "experts" to the lives and situations of the "people" has typically be
quite slow, made all the more so by the fact that it is often presumed that the
people are ignorant and have nothing to contribute. The expert may in fact have
the "answer", but unless it fits with some question of existential concern with
the people, that "answer" is of doubtful value and limited application. The
situation radically improves when effective dialogue takes place -- the sort of
dialogue which recognizes that ALL participants are useful and needed, and all
are "expert" in their own peculiar and unique way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It is also a matter of experience (and firm conviction)
that a group of people is infinitely smarter than any individual, no matter how
bright, talented, and learned that individual may be. The trick is to
create conditions in which the free flow of information may take place in
all directions simultaneously. When that happens we can perceive the full
"wisdom of crowds." And for sure it beats the one way Question > Answer
approach. It just so happens that Open Space is ONE way that such a fruitful
flow may be established. And certainly not the only one -- but given a choice
between a "roundtable of 600 (presumed) experts and a couple days in Open Space
with a similar number of people -- there really isn't any choice. At least not
for me. However, I am sure the Berlin event will be a superb show -- and
definitely one for the Guinness Book of Records. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD
20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A><BR>Personal
Website <A href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=newresolve@eastlink.ca href="mailto:newresolve@eastlink.ca">Nancy
Weatherhead</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hhowen@verizon.net
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">'Harrison Owen'</A> ; <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 12:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: an interesting meeting in
Berlin]</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand the bias
here against ‘experts’… but most of the ‘experts’ I have met are fully aware
of their own lack of ability to answer all questions and would only choose to
call themselves an expert in a certain area/field of living… and.. I do not
see this word being used here… I also see that this is yet another forum that
is looking for input from a wide variety and cross section of people from all
countries and areas of ‘expertise’. Perhaps if you can look beyond a
form that is not of your choosing you could find some value
here?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nancy</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">See with an open
heart, hear with an open mind.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Harrison Owen<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 04, 2006 9:44
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: an interesting meeting in
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>]</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks to my increasing myopia
(doubtless due to sins past and present) I did in fact miss the URL.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">small print!</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> is the root of all evil!! But I
love you Funda!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And Michael -- you captured my
feeling exactly when it come to events like this. Doubtless it will be a
marvelous show, but as an advance of real knowledge, and more importantly the
application of that knowledge, I rather think it will come up short. The
"Expert Syndrome" one more time. Old joke about the definition of "expert" --
"a has been under pressure." Some truth there, I
think.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Harrison Owen<BR><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
w:st="on">7808 River Falls Dr</st1:address></st1:Street>.<BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">MD</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261
(summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A><BR>Personal
Website <A
href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=mmpanne@boscop.de href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">Michael M
Pannwitz</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday,
September 04, 2006 4:12 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [Fwd:
Re: an interesting meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear list,<BR>yesterday, I did send the note below
to ho who had not discovered the <BR>link and entered my esteemed opinion on
this project.<BR>Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long
report on how they <BR>are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one
outdoor for sunny <BR>weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very
fancy and expensive <BR>material that can also be written on...they have
already approached the <BR>Guinness Book of World Records for the largest
round table ever...and I <BR>wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in
pieces and auction it off as <BR>they did with other local objects like the
Berlin Wall....and, of <BR>course, there is going to be a video where you
can see all of them <BR>simultaneously answering questions...<BR><BR>To me
this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve Problems"
<BR>(Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900 and
<BR>1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group Problem
<BR>Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of
<BR>Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts improve
<BR>whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of approaches
<BR>such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody improves whole
<BR>systems".<BR>I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for
the <BR>challenges we are facing now improves through technology that makes
it <BR>available instantaneously, worldwide...<BR>Still, its a fascinating
show that definitely is marketed in an <BR>effective mode...<BR>So, for me
its back to practicing Open Space Technology!<BR>Greetings from <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><BR>mmp<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------
Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><BR>Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25
+0200<BR>From: Michael M Pannwitz <<A
href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">mmpanne@boscop.de</A>><BR>To: Harrison
Owen <<A
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</A>><BR>References:
<<A
href="mailto:00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7">00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7</A>>
<BR><<A
href="mailto:002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop">002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop</A>><BR><BR>click
on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old men like me<BR>it
was in the local <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State> paper today and I consider it to be
a<BR>fabulous piece of bullshit,<BR>especially since they definitely forgot
to include THIS<BR>great mind<BR>Tables have been out for some
time...<BR>Greetings from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><BR>mmp<BR><BR>Harrison Owen
wrote:<BR>> OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more
mysterious than <BR>> now. . . What interesting meeting in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>????<BR>> <BR>>
ho<BR>> Harrison Owen<BR>> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
w:st="on">7808 River Falls Dr</st1:address></st1:Street>.<BR>> <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">MD</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR>> <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR>>
301-365-2093<BR>> 207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>> website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A> <<A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">http://www.openspaceworld.com</A>><BR>>
Personal Website <A href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A>
<<A
href="http://www.ho-image.com">http://www.ho-image.com</A>><BR>>
<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> *From:* Funda Oral <<A
href="mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr">mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr</A>><BR>>
*To:* <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>>
<<A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:21 PM<BR>>
*Subject:* an interesting meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://www.droppingknowledge.org/">http://www.droppingknowledge.org/</A><BR>>
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