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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand the bias here against ‘experts’…
but most of the ‘experts’ I have met are fully aware of their own
lack of ability to answer all questions and would only choose to call
themselves an expert in a certain area/field of living… and.. I do not
see this word being used here… I also see that this is yet another forum
that is looking for input from a wide variety and cross section of people from
all countries and areas of ‘expertise’. Perhaps if you can look
beyond a form that is not of your choosing you could find some value here?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See with an open heart, hear with an open
mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 04, 2006
9:44 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: an interesting
meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>]</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks to my increasing myopia (doubtless due to sins past
and present) I did in fact miss the URL. </span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>small print!</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> is the root of all evil!! But I
love you Funda!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>And Michael -- you captured my feeling exactly when it come
to events like this. Doubtless it will be a marvelous show, but as an advance
of real knowledge, and more importantly the application of that knowledge, I
rather think it will come up short. The "Expert Syndrome" one more
time. Old joke about the definition of "expert" -- "a has been
under pressure." Some truth there, I think.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Harrison Owen<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">7808 River Falls Dr</st1:address></st1:Street>.<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MD</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
301-365-2093<br>
207-763-3261 (summer)<br>
website <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br>
Personal Website <a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de" title="mmpanne@boscop.de">Michael M Pannwitz</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, September
04, 2006 4:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [Fwd: Re: an
interesting meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear list,<br>
yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not discovered the <br>
link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.<br>
Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on how they <br>
are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for sunny <br>
weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and expensive <br>
material that can also be written on...they have already approached the <br>
Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round table ever...and I <br>
wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces and auction it off as <br>
they did with other local objects like the Berlin Wall....and, of <br>
course, there is going to be a video where you can see all of them <br>
simultaneously answering questions...<br>
<br>
To me this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve
Problems" <br>
(Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900 and <br>
1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group
Problem <br>
Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of <br>
Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts improve <br>
whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of approaches <br>
such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody improves whole <br>
systems".<br>
I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for the <br>
challenges we are facing now improves through technology that makes it <br>
available instantaneously, worldwide...<br>
Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed in an <br>
effective mode...<br>
So, for me its back to practicing Open Space Technology!<br>
Greetings from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><br>
mmp<br>
<br>
<br>
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><br>
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200<br>
From: Michael M Pannwitz <<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">mmpanne@boscop.de</a>><br>
To: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
References: <<a href="mailto:00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7">00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7</a>>
<br>
<<a href="mailto:002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop">002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop</a>><br>
<br>
click on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old men like me<br>
it was in the local <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>
paper today and I consider it to be a<br>
fabulous piece of bullshit,<br>
especially since they definitely forgot to include THIS<br>
great mind<br>
Tables have been out for some time...<br>
Greetings from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><br>
mmp<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen wrote:<br>
> OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more mysterious
than <br>
> now. . . What interesting meeting in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State>????<br>
> <br>
> ho<br>
> Harrison Owen<br>
> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">7808 River Falls Dr</st1:address></st1:Street>.<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Potomac</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">MD</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20854</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> 301-365-2093<br>
> 207-763-3261 (summer)<br>
> website <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a>
<<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">http://www.openspaceworld.com</a>><br>
> Personal Website <a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a>
<<a href="http://www.ho-image.com">http://www.ho-image.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> *From:* Funda Oral <<a
href="mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr">mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr</a>><br>
> *To:* <a
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> <<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:21 PM<br>
> *Subject:* an interesting meeting in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Berlin</st1:place></st1:State><br>
> <br>
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