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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Mit freundlichen
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>Im Auftrag von </B>Diane
Brandon<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Samstag, 26. August 2006 14:21<BR><B>An:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: AW: AW: Working with
visual artists at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Let's see if this screen shot from <FONT class=Apple-style-span
face=Verdana color=#000080>www.visuelle-protokolle.de </FONT>makes it
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">KEYS Coalition (CWC)</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904</DIV>
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<DIV>On Aug 26, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Dear Pat, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>I try to make it short.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Mit freundlichen
Grüßen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>best regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>VISUELLE
PROTOKOLLE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Kuchenmüller &
Stifel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>tel +39-0566-88
929</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>www.visuelle-protokolle.de</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>If i see, that
i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i don't care then for
selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me it is fine, that you and
me are different.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN><BR>Is this not self organization?
Self organization is not self conscious it just does in my understanding.<SPAN
class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080> <FONT
color=#ff0000>YES</FONT>. </FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>I like of
course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So i am glad, that we
had this dialogue, and am open to continue it ore leave it like that, because
the important things have been said. I would rather draw what i feel, but this
listserve is textbased.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR>I am not sure whether this group is tex based or
not, I am not text based. In reading the posts I imagine people have
many primary modality possibilies. The listserve is text based for
sure. I do not know if there is any other way to participate on the list
except through text. I appreciate some attempts at using keystrokes to
create visual images although that would not satisfy my visual
expression. I also appreciate Lisa's attempt to distill discussion
threads into poetry. So far on this list that has been the most
staisfying visual expression. Her last poem distilled out of the posts
on one topic was for me beautiful and moved me emotionally to tears so the
experience is the same for me as a picture. My question is how would you
use the listserve to be more visually expressive? How can people become
more comfortable operating in visual expression while here?<SPAN
class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#ff0000><SPAN
class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana>I don't know much about listservs
and security. maybe there might be a parallel list, where images are
allowed.</FONT> </SPAN><BR><BR></FONT><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>So we can sit inbeteen the people and hear, see, feel what is
going on. We use the 'Visual Language', a combination of images and words. we
work with feltpens on cards, which we hang in rows of 6 to form a picture
wall, where everybody can see, what was said, and also ask for corrections and
additions. At the end mostly we transform these images into a slideshow of
some minutes to let the day flow by, because almost everybody has forgotten
more than 50 % of what he heard, saw and did during a
day.</FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Could a photographer participate in the same way? Would a
photagrapher sitting in the group as you describe documenting through
photographs serve the same purpose? If not what is different in what the
visual photographers do?<SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700003710-26082006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana color=#ff0000>we draw
the content, not the people.</FONT> </SPAN><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>C. We
prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps, after gathering the
content in interviews we document in drawings. That can take
</FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>some
months.</FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN class=gmail_quote>
<DIV><BR>So is what important here and perhaps absent on the list
metaphors? Do you think what we need to do as facilitators of any
variety be more intentional about metaphor? Should there be more
intentional time spent on discovering the metaphors that show up to the event
and that influence questions and their answers?<SPAN
class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700003710-26082006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><FONT
color=#ff0000>I have experienced that metaphors come by themselves, if there
is an inviting atmosphere. so you only have to listen carefully !!! and to
catch them.</FONT> </FONT> </SPAN><BR><BR></DIV></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>For Open Space
it would be beautiful to always have paper and colors available, flipchartsize
or bigger. Colors might be broad (!!!) felt pens, chalk, crayons (careful with
carpet floors), water colors. Yes, a person to introduce and help is helpful,
but not necessary. But you must show the possibilities of using these
materials as something normal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>And maybe you
experiment with people documenting with drawings, on big or small
paper!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>The drawing
should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one reason i don't call me
an artist. </FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR>I would agree with everything you said in the
previous paragraph. I would add that a person to demonstrate the
possibilities of visual expression is needed also to show how to enter into
the process and to discover the metaphors revealed by drawings no matter how
primitive or unstaisfying to the drawer. In my somewhat limitied open
space experience, paper and colored markers have always been present. So
the tools are there but it seems the visual person may not always be
identified. I also agree that a great number of literate people have
competency issues with art and music that stifle there willingness to do it
and their understanding of the value of what can be expressed by someone who
is not fluent in the language. My fluency allows me to see where fluency
can be nurtured in another, how to enter in. I am wondering how you
envision the best way for this to happen in an open space format? What
can you imagine in the open space format?<BR>Thanks for the dialouge<SPAN
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color=#000080> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006>Pat
Black<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
color=#ff0000><FONT face=Verdana>images are about 40.000 years old, written
texts </FONT> <FONT face=Verdana>5.000 years. Scientists say, that we
think in images and then translate them into words. I am no scientist, but I
am shure, that all of us have the world of images within us, and it gets alive
once it is touched. Society has banned many creative expressions, so it needs
some digging. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006></SPAN><SPAN
class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#ff0000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#ff0000>Someone responsable for singing, dancing, drawing, playing is as
important as someone for speaking and writing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
color=#ff0000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#ff0000>One easy way is to offer drawing - for example drawing a story -
as theme of an open space session, so people get used to
it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
color=#ff0000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#ff0000>Our societiy is overflooded with images, prefabricated images,
films, tv, ads etc. but people are hungry for the real stuff, alive, fitting
in the moment, handdrawn, amateurlike. I have experienced that in about 400
sessions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
color=#ff0000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
color=#ff0000><FONT face=Verdana>Good
luck!</FONT> </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=700003710-26082006><FONT
face=Verdana color=#000080><FONT
color=#ff0000> Reinhard</FONT> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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