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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Reinhard, my friend -- Somehow I seem to have become the
"bete noir" in all of this. But really, I love the visual domain. In odd moments
I am a (sometime) professional photographer of some 40 years. More to
the point, I "think" visually -- which is to say that I have an image well
before I ever find the words. And I really love your idea of the Law of Two
Feet as "<FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>a law of two feet dancing."
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000>All that said, the issue for me relates to the people
(participants) doing for themselves what they can, should, must -- do for
themselves. And anything that gets in the way of that "self-doing" is out the
window -- so far as I am concerned. That the visual/plastic/dance domain is a
rich environment, largely excluded from contemporary
organizational discourse is a given. It happens. It should not happen. It
is a travesty that it happens. But I truly believe that there are ways to
re-open that environment without having a "resident artist" (No matter who,
or how great) present. In my experience, given a few simple tools (paper,
magic markers, paint, etc.) they will find the way. And -- an invitation always
helps. In fact it is essential. If you can't say it, even really "think" it
-- draw it, color it, make a "found sculpture" -- but Do It! And they will. And
they do. </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This is not personal. To my old friend Dave Sibbett, and
my equally old friend, Jim Channon, who I think basically created the field in
which you are a leading light -- I would say the same thing. I love what you do,
and I am sure others love it as well. BUT -- until or unless you make yourself
"totally invisible albeit absolutely present" -- I don't think you will add to
the quality and power of the "space." That you have great insights,
marvelous ways of looking at things, capacity to show nacient thoughts in
all of their potential splendor -- is a given. But it is your act. Not the
Peoples'. And that is the difference.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD
20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A><BR>Personal
Website <A href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 25, 2006 8:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: AW: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>insider, outsider, addendum, we can play with definitions ad
infinitum. important for me, and i feel likewise for you, is not a role we
play, but the reponsibility we feel to be there for the people. To do, to be
what fits, as you say. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i
don't care then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me it is fine,
that you and me are different.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>For me Open Space has some rules, which are made by humans,
good ones, but i don't feel responsible for these rules. As i understood,
Harrison when he definded those rules was influenced by visiting african
tribes organizing big festivals without organizing. If he had been visiting
westafrican tribes with an old tradition of documenting their meeting in
drawings (what i would always prefer to the external visual person!!!), maybe
he would have defined that as principle number five, or he might have seen
them dancing at the end and could have defined </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>I like of course,
what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So i am glad, that we had this
dialogue, and am open to continue it ore leave it like that, because the
important things have been said. I would rather draw what i feel, but this
listserve is textbased.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>You ask, how we work. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>A. We accompany meetings and conferences and seminars of all
kind and mirror them in drawings. we work with little formats, not like most
of our American colleagues, who work on big wallpapers. So we can sit inbeteen
the people and hear, see, feel what is going on. We use the 'Visual Language',
a combination of images and words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we
hang in rows of 6 to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was
said, and also ask for corrections and additions. At the end mostly we
transform these images into a slideshow of some minutes to let the day flow
by, because almost everybody has forgotten more than 50 % of what he heard,
saw and did during a day. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>We would very much like a visual culture, where this service is
fulfilled by some people who like that, and who got some training (mainly to
forget their mind and prefixed ideas of what they should draw). Inbetween we
go and do it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>B. We let people draw themselves. Either on templates,
which we prepare with the client, and put an important question on it wich
they answer with their drawings. We do that in groups of 8, and follow some
rules which make people forget that they cannot draw. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we have "Storypainting sessions", were we split the group in
story inventors, story drawers, a witness, and to show the result (a long
strip of images with added sentences) a person like a medieval
ballad-monger. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we let people draw their company, group ...as a human person
on a flip chart in little groups.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we develop maps together, land- and seamaps, full of
metaphors and dragons ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps,
after gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings. That can
take some months. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>We develop gaims for companies, where the coworkers understand
their company and the ideas of their bosses while they
play.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>E. We offer coaching with images (where we and the coached
person draw, and were we use our KuS-Model with 7 process steps). We offer
introduction into visual facilitation in workshops.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>All this is what we produce, and i don't go into what background
we have, how we always develop our services further, what images make with
people, what we touch within people, how we help to sustain
etc,....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and
colors available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad (!!!) felt
pens, chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors), water colors. Yes, a person
to introduce and help is helpful, but not necessary. But you must show the
possibilities of using these materials as something
normal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings,
on big or small paper!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is
one reason i don't call me an artist. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>And if you ever find a client who asks for a visual
person, there are beautiful people all over the place. You can look in the
website of IFVP, our international organisation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=289150112-25082006>Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>Im Auftrag von </B>Michael
Herman<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 18:56<BR><B>An:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: AW: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>thanks for taking up birgitt's challenge, reinhold. a few
thoughts to follow what you say...<BR><BR>first, i am surprised that you say
you are an os outsider. i always think of you as very much inside of
this community and flow.<BR><BR>next, to where you finish, in reference to
artists gathering in open space, i agree with what i think you're saying, that
it's a different matter when artists gather to do their own work in open
space, dancing, singing, etc. that is not the central question here,
which started with chris asking about working with a visual artist/facilitator
in an upcoming gathering. <BR><BR>then to the bit about text proceedings
being boring and lifeless, i absolutely agree with you about how such things
can have the life squeezed out of them by round after round of revisioning...
but i actually find that when we type the rough stuff and put it all on the
wall, the wall just vibrates. the books we print for longer and larger
events have a real spark in them. that they don't work for you may be
true, but i have heard stories of these books being desktop references for
years after a big event. this to me gets to the issue of us being
outsiders when we come to facilitate a gathering. it's not our job to
say what the issues are, to tweak the language of their expression, to set the
order or importance or connections... we invite participants to do all of
that. <BR><BR>i would include in that same realm, that it's not my job
to tell them *how* they should document or *what* will have more life and
meaning for them. i would never suggest a visual artist/facilitor unless
they were bringing it up in some way themselves, at least bringing up the need
for one. in the same way, i don't impose a gallery of posters, a text
document, a weblog, a wiki, or voting as the document option. i talk
with them about what they want to produce, what do they want to sustain
following the meeting, and what will make the results of the meeting *real*
for them. the important thing for me is that it fits the purpose,
the people, and that it is something that *they* will be able to sustain going
forward, if sustained actino and movement is their intent. <BR><BR>you
quoted...<BR><BR><SPAN class=q>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Michael Hermann
writes:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>" </FONT><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080>is the artist's work beautiful, interesting,
magical, and more<SPAN>?</SPAN> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with
my own summation?"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN> Of course Michael expects everybody to cry out "of
course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR>my simple answer to why not is
that i'm not a member of the group, i'm there to give attention to the group,
and -- i think -- make nothing. i invite, they make, they document, and
they act. not because i'm not smart, not caring... but because i'm not
*in* the group... i likely don't understnad the issues well enough to comment,
i'm likely not to be around when the solutions have to be implemented... i may
be *in the system* for the day(s), but i'm not long-term committed to the work
in the way that they are. <BR><BR>even if i have a brilliant ability to
take them up the mountain and show them the way and the future and the
glorious swirl of everything, if i leave them after teh last day with the
expectation that they can do what i do, and follw that thread without me --
*if* i have really guessed it right -- then they will be disappointed when
they crash. so i always want them to do everything for themselves, to
choose what issues, language, formats and colors that they know, that they can
practice for themselves, and that they accept for themselves as *real*.
if i take a group of spreadsheet jockeys and leave them with gorgeous
metaphors and drawings, they won't likely know what to do with them when they
get back to work, and the meeting will disappear. but if they create
spreadsheets as documentation, then there is no loss in transferring back to
the *real* work.... everything in the meeting is automatically *real* work,
because it had a spreadsheet, like all the other *real* work.
<BR><BR>the situation is much different, of course, if they *ask* for an
artist, or ask to be introduced to new things, or suggest a purpose for which
drawing and art and dance and such would seem to be a natural vehicle.
then we can have somebody along, and i might recommend a drummer or an artist
or a massage therapist, and let them make the arrangements directly, just like
the hotel choosing. in those cases, i'm looking for people who can come
in as artists who know how to facilitate... to invite the art of others, not
bring their own art. i'm looking for people who have an art about art
making. <BR><BR><BR>michaelh<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/24/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Visuelle
Protokolle</B> <<A
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Hi
Birgitt,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>you are
challenging me! So I jump into the ring, as an outsider.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>When Harrison
Owen used the fourfold way of Angeles Arrien to form the method of Open
Space, he did an ingenious job, as the world wide distribution of
the method shows every day. But ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Now Open
Space seems to me to be both, a method and a movement. The movement
organizes OSonOssses etc. and spreads also with amazing speed.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>I am not part
of the movement, but I admire the method, use it sometimes, and took part as
a visual facilitator (I prefer that expression to visual artist)
several times, so also together with you. And since years I am a member of
this list serve and follow the discussions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>So if I am
asking for a dialogue, what have I to say, and what do I
expect?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>A dialogue
for me is different from a discussion. In a discussion everybody tries to be
right and convince the others, in a dialogue everybody listens and is ready
to learn. So I tell my story, and am curious what will
happen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Michael
Hermann writes:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>"
</FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080>is the artist's work
beautiful, interesting, magical, and more<SPAN>?</SPAN> yes, of course. but
what if i am a great story teller? would i ever get up and attempt to
'keynote' the closing circle with my own
summation?"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN> Of course Michael expects everybody to cry out "of
course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>For me
the method of OS is brilliant at its beginning, excellent in the middle, and
only slightly average at the end. I see no value in boaring texts, written
by the obediant ones. I am no friend of spoken reports of group results.
Words, words, words. I am missing the fire that was alive in the groups!
Alive, not online, not typed, to feel it with your senses! And I know, that
images can help a lot here.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><SPAN> <FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Right now
I take part in a project (not OS), where the client organized 200 interviews
of storytelling, done in pairs, and the listening partner did write the
story down. Then it was revised and typed, then revised again, and now all
the stories are dead and boaring! A true storyteller would have used the
content and would have given it a form to reach people, to bring the message
to the public. For me that is beautiful! You also could build a scene play,
dance the messages, sing them, draw them (what I did).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Birgitt, you
wrote:" <FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>when you gave us your gifts as a
visual artist, people's learning ended up going much deeper through the art
as a wonderful reflection tool. "</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><FONT
size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN><FONT
size=+0><FONT size=+0>Since for me you are the one, who really
</FONT></FONT></SPAN>a<SPAN>dded value to Harrisons method, by taking into
account the givens, as framework for the openness, by adding the
'Purpose' in the middle of the medicine wheel, and above all by daring to
offer OS as an ongoing method within organizations, and to teach
organizations to use it this way, may be you understand what I am asking
for. It is not only a better way of documentation (what images of course can
offer), it is the wonderful opportunity, no, the necessity, to transport the
spirit of all what happens in Open Space first to all the senses of the
participants and then to whom it may concern.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>All
this for me is true in every Open Space session, and I know that people can
be trained as 'transporters of spirit'. wether by drawing or any other way.
In the meantime it is a good solution to have someone from the outside, as
witness, as reciever, container, and that is what I can offer to
be.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>If
artists use Open Space for their themes, if they explode dancing, singing,
drawing, beautiful. But that is not what I am talking about, unless all of
us are keen enough to detect the artist insides
themselves.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN>Blessings</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN>Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target=_blank>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>] <B>Im Auftrag von
</B>Birgitt Williams<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 23. August 2006
14:19</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><BR><B>An:</B> <A
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Betreff: </B>Re: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
<SPAN>Reinhard</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You know that I
admire your work very much and have appreciated your help in our workshops,
and when you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended
up going much deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What interested me
in your mail to this list was your comment "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years."
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you have the
energy for it, I would very much like to hear from you regarding what you
were hoping the dialogue would be. I have an idea that you, who know OST
very well, have some insights that we all could benefit
from.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Blessings,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Birgitt</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Birgitt
Williams</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"><IMG height=138 width=252
NOSEND="1"></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Visuelle
Protokolle<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
August 21, 2006 2:34 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target=_blank>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> AW: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hi Chris, and
all you others,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since years I
am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same
treasure in and on similar ways.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But then I get
Harrison's "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">One caution about visual artists and other such
addendum</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">" and ask me, and ask you: Are
you, like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing people, helping
them a bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high priests and I am
the addendum?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mit freundlichen
Grüßen</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">best
regards</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">VISUELLE
PROTOKOLLE</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Kuchenmüller
& Stifel</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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Corrigan<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B>
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an Open Space</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi mates:<BR><BR>I have an opportunity coming up in
the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am doing.
The clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the possibility,
but haven't ever done that before. <BR><BR>So what kind of good
stories do you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a
modality) in Open Space.<BR><BR>Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy
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