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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>insider, outsider, addendum, we can play with definitions ad
infinitum. important for me, and i feel likewise for you, is not a role we play,
but the reponsibility we feel to be there for the people. To do, to be what
fits, as you say. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i
don't care then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me it is fine,
that you and me are different.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>For me Open Space has some rules, which are made by humans,
good ones, but i don't feel responsible for these rules. As i understood,
Harrison when he definded those rules was influenced by visiting african
tribes organizing big festivals without organizing. If he had been visiting
westafrican tribes with an old tradition of documenting their meeting in
drawings (what i would always prefer to the external visual person!!!), maybe he
would have defined that as principle number five, or he might have seen them
dancing at the end and could have defined a law of two feet
dancing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>I like of course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So
i am glad, that we had this dialogue, and am open to continue it ore leave it
like that, because the important things have been said. I would rather draw what
i feel, but this listserve is textbased.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>You ask, how we work. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>A. We accompany meetings and conferences and seminars of all kind
and mirror them in drawings. we work with little formats, not like most of our
American colleagues, who work on big wallpapers. So we can sit inbeteen the
people and hear, see, feel what is going on. We use the 'Visual Language', a
combination of images and words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we hang
in rows of 6 to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was said, and
also ask for corrections and additions. At the end mostly we transform these
images into a slideshow of some minutes to let the day flow by, because almost
everybody has forgotten more than 50 % of what he heard, saw and did during a
day. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>We would very much like a visual culture, where this service is
fulfilled by some people who like that, and who got some training (mainly to
forget their mind and prefixed ideas of what they should draw). Inbetween we go
and do it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>B. We let people draw themselves. Either on templates, which
we prepare with the client, and put an important question on it wich they answer
with their drawings. We do that in groups of 8, and follow some rules which make
people forget that they cannot draw. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we have "Storypainting sessions", were we split the group in
story inventors, story drawers, a witness, and to show the result (a long strip
of images with added sentences) a person like a medieval
ballad-monger. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we let people draw their company, group ...as a human person on
a flip chart in little groups.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Or we develop maps together, land- and seamaps, full of metaphors
and dragons ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps,
after gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings. That can take
some months. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>We develop gaims for companies, where the coworkers understand
their company and the ideas of their bosses while they play.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>E. We offer coaching with images (where we and the coached person
draw, and were we use our KuS-Model with 7 process steps). We offer introduction
into visual facilitation in workshops.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>All this is what we produce, and i don't go into what background
we have, how we always develop our services further, what images make with
people, what we touch within people, how we help to sustain
etc,....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and
colors available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad (!!!) felt
pens, chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors), water colors. Yes, a person
to introduce and help is helpful, but not necessary. But you must show the
possibilities of using these materials as something normal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings, on
big or small paper!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one
reason i don't call me an artist. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289150112-25082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>And if you ever find a client who asks for a visual person,
there are beautiful people all over the place. You can look in the website of
IFVP, our international organisation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=289150112-25082006>Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>Im Auftrag von </B>Michael
Herman<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 18:56<BR><B>An:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: AW: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>thanks for taking up birgitt's challenge, reinhold. a few
thoughts to follow what you say...<BR><BR>first, i am surprised that you say you
are an os outsider. i always think of you as very much inside of this
community and flow.<BR><BR>next, to where you finish, in reference to artists
gathering in open space, i agree with what i think you're saying, that it's a
different matter when artists gather to do their own work in open space,
dancing, singing, etc. that is not the central question here, which
started with chris asking about working with a visual artist/facilitator in an
upcoming gathering. <BR><BR>then to the bit about text proceedings being
boring and lifeless, i absolutely agree with you about how such things can have
the life squeezed out of them by round after round of revisioning... but i
actually find that when we type the rough stuff and put it all on the wall, the
wall just vibrates. the books we print for longer and larger events have a
real spark in them. that they don't work for you may be true, but i have
heard stories of these books being desktop references for years after a big
event. this to me gets to the issue of us being outsiders when we come to
facilitate a gathering. it's not our job to say what the issues are, to
tweak the language of their expression, to set the order or importance or
connections... we invite participants to do all of that. <BR><BR>i would
include in that same realm, that it's not my job to tell them *how* they should
document or *what* will have more life and meaning for them. i would never
suggest a visual artist/facilitor unless they were bringing it up in some way
themselves, at least bringing up the need for one. in the same way, i
don't impose a gallery of posters, a text document, a weblog, a wiki, or voting
as the document option. i talk with them about what they want to produce,
what do they want to sustain following the meeting, and what will make the
results of the meeting *real* for them. the important thing for me
is that it fits the purpose, the people, and that it is something that *they*
will be able to sustain going forward, if sustained actino and movement is their
intent. <BR><BR>you quoted...<BR><BR><SPAN class=q>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Michael Hermann
writes:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>" </FONT><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080>is the artist's work beautiful, interesting,
magical, and more<SPAN>?</SPAN> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my
own summation?"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN> Of course Michael expects everybody to cry out "of
course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR>my simple answer to why not is that
i'm not a member of the group, i'm there to give attention to the group, and --
i think -- make nothing. i invite, they make, they document, and they
act. not because i'm not smart, not caring... but because i'm not *in* the
group... i likely don't understnad the issues well enough to comment, i'm likely
not to be around when the solutions have to be implemented... i may be *in the
system* for the day(s), but i'm not long-term committed to the work in the way
that they are. <BR><BR>even if i have a brilliant ability to take them up
the mountain and show them the way and the future and the glorious swirl of
everything, if i leave them after teh last day with the expectation that they
can do what i do, and follw that thread without me -- *if* i have really guessed
it right -- then they will be disappointed when they crash. so i always
want them to do everything for themselves, to choose what issues, language,
formats and colors that they know, that they can practice for themselves, and
that they accept for themselves as *real*. if i take a group of
spreadsheet jockeys and leave them with gorgeous metaphors and drawings, they
won't likely know what to do with them when they get back to work, and the
meeting will disappear. but if they create spreadsheets as documentation,
then there is no loss in transferring back to the *real* work.... everything in
the meeting is automatically *real* work, because it had a spreadsheet, like all
the other *real* work. <BR><BR>the situation is much different, of course,
if they *ask* for an artist, or ask to be introduced to new things, or suggest a
purpose for which drawing and art and dance and such would seem to be a natural
vehicle. then we can have somebody along, and i might recommend a drummer
or an artist or a massage therapist, and let them make the arrangements
directly, just like the hotel choosing. in those cases, i'm looking for
people who can come in as artists who know how to facilitate... to invite the
art of others, not bring their own art. i'm looking for people who have an
art about art making. <BR><BR><BR>michaelh<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/24/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Visuelle
Protokolle</B> <<A
href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Hi
Birgitt,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>you are
challenging me! So I jump into the ring, as an outsider. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>When Harrison
Owen used the fourfold way of Angeles Arrien to form the method of Open
Space, he did an ingenious job, as the world wide distribution of
the method shows every day. But ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Now Open Space
seems to me to be both, a method and a movement. The movement organizes
OSonOssses etc. and spreads also with amazing speed. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>I am not part
of the movement, but I admire the method, use it sometimes, and took part as a
visual facilitator (I prefer that expression to visual artist) several
times, so also together with you. And since years I am a member of this list
serve and follow the discussions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>So if I am
asking for a dialogue, what have I to say, and what do I
expect?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>A dialogue for
me is different from a discussion. In a discussion everybody tries to be right
and convince the others, in a dialogue everybody listens and is ready to
learn. So I tell my story, and am curious what will
happen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Michael Hermann
writes:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>" </FONT><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080>is the artist's work beautiful, interesting,
magical, and more<SPAN>?</SPAN> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with
my own summation?"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN> Of course Michael expects everybody to cry out "of
course not!" But I say: WHY NOT?????? </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>For me the
method of OS is brilliant at its beginning, excellent in the middle, and only
slightly average at the end. I see no value in boaring texts, written by the
obediant ones. I am no friend of spoken reports of group results. Words,
words, words. I am missing the fire that was alive in the groups! Alive, not
online, not typed, to feel it with your senses! And I know, that images can
help a lot here.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><SPAN> <FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Right now I
take part in a project (not OS), where the client organized 200 interviews of
storytelling, done in pairs, and the listening partner did write the story
down. Then it was revised and typed, then revised again, and now all the
stories are dead and boaring! A true storyteller would have used the content
and would have given it a form to reach people, to bring the message to the
public. For me that is beautiful! You also could build a scene play, dance the
messages, sing them, draw them (what I did).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Birgitt, you
wrote:" <FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>when you gave us your gifts as a visual
artist, people's learning ended up going much deeper through the art as a
wonderful reflection tool. "</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><FONT
size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN><FONT
size=+0><FONT size=+0>Since for me you are the one, who really
</FONT></FONT></SPAN>a<SPAN>dded value to Harrisons method, by taking into
account the givens, as framework for the openness, by adding the
'Purpose' in the middle of the medicine wheel, and above all by daring to
offer OS as an ongoing method within organizations, and to teach organizations
to use it this way, may be you understand what I am asking for. It is not only
a better way of documentation (what images of course can offer), it is the
wonderful opportunity, no, the necessity, to transport the spirit of
all what happens in Open Space first to all the senses of the
participants and then to whom it may concern.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>All this
for me is true in every Open Space session, and I know that people can be
trained as 'transporters of spirit'. wether by drawing or any other way. In
the meantime it is a good solution to have someone from the outside, as
witness, as reciever, container, and that is what I can offer to
be.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN>If
artists use Open Space for their themes, if they explode dancing, singing,
drawing, beautiful. But that is not what I am talking about, unless all of us
are keen enough to detect the artist insides
themselves.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN>Blessings</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><SPAN>Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
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PROTOKOLLE</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
target=_blank>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>] <B>Im Auftrag von
</B>Birgitt Williams<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 23. August 2006
14:19</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=q><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><BR><B>An:</B> <A
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Betreff: </B>Re: Working with visual artists
at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_10d3fe600d3e1a0b_7>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
<SPAN>Reinhard</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You know that I
admire your work very much and have appreciated your help in our workshops,
and when you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended up
going much deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What interested me in
your mail to this list was your comment "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years."
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you have the
energy for it, I would very much like to hear from you regarding what you were
hoping the dialogue would be. I have an idea that you, who know OST very well,
have some insights that we all could benefit from.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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August 21, 2006 2:34 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
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all you others,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since years I am
on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same treasure in
and on similar ways.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But then I get
Harrison's "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">One caution about visual artists and other such
addendum</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">" and ask me, and ask you: Are you,
like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing people, helping them a
bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high priests and I am the
addendum?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi mates:<BR><BR>I have an opportunity coming up in
the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am doing. The
clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the possibility, but
haven't ever done that before. <BR><BR>So what kind of good stories do
you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a modality) in Open
Space.<BR><BR>Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis around?
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