thanks for taking up birgitt's challenge, reinhold. a few thoughts to follow what you say...<br>
<br>
first, i am surprised that you say you are an os outsider. i
always think of you as very much inside of this community and flow.<br>
<br>
next, to where you finish, in reference to artists gathering in open
space, i agree with what i think you're saying, that it's a different
matter when artists gather to do their own work in open space, dancing,
singing, etc. that is not the central question here, which
started with chris asking about working with a visual
artist/facilitator in an upcoming gathering. <br>
<br>
then to the bit about text proceedings being boring and lifeless, i
absolutely agree with you about how such things can have the life
squeezed out of them by round after round of revisioning... but i
actually find that when we type the rough stuff and put it all on the
wall, the wall just vibrates. the books we print for longer and
larger events have a real spark in them. that they don't work for
you may be true, but i have heard stories of these books being desktop
references for years after a big event. this to me gets to the
issue of us being outsiders when we come to facilitate a
gathering. it's not our job to say what the issues are, to tweak
the language of their expression, to set the order or importance or
connections... we invite participants to do all of that. <br>
<br>
i would include in that same realm, that it's not my job to tell them
*how* they should document or *what* will have more life and meaning
for them. i would never suggest a visual artist/facilitor unless
they were bringing it up in some way themselves, at least bringing up
the need for one. in the same way, i don't impose a gallery of
posters, a text document, a weblog, a wiki, or voting as the document
option. i talk with them about what they want to produce, what do
they want to sustain following the meeting, and what will make the
results of the meeting *real* for them. the important thing
for me is that it fits the purpose, the people, and that it is
something that *they* will be able to sustain going forward, if
sustained actino and movement is their intent. <br>
<br>
you quoted...<br>
<br>
<span class="q"><div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Michael Hermann writes:</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">" </font><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080">is the artist's
work beautiful, interesting, magical, and more<span>?</span> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my
own summation?"</font></font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span></span> </div></span>
<div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span> Of course Michael expects
everybody to cry out "of course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</span></font></font></span></div></div>
<br>
my simple answer to why not is that i'm not a member of the group, i'm
there to give attention to the group, and -- i think -- make
nothing. i invite, they make, they document, and they act.
not because i'm not smart, not caring... but because i'm not *in* the
group... i likely don't understnad the issues well enough to comment,
i'm likely not to be around when the solutions have to be
implemented... i may be *in the system* for the day(s), but i'm not
long-term committed to the work in the way that they are. <br>
<br>
even if i have a brilliant ability to take them up the mountain and
show them the way and the future and the glorious swirl of everything,
if i leave them after teh last day with the expectation that they can
do what i do, and follw that thread without me -- *if* i have really
guessed it right -- then they will be disappointed when they
crash. so i always want them to do everything for themselves, to
choose what issues, language, formats and colors that they know, that
they can practice for themselves, and that they accept for themselves
as *real*. if i take a group of spreadsheet jockeys and leave
them with gorgeous metaphors and drawings, they won't likely know what
to do with them when they get back to work, and the meeting will
disappear. but if they create spreadsheets as documentation, then
there is no loss in transferring back to the *real* work.... everything
in the meeting is automatically *real* work, because it had a
spreadsheet, like all the other *real* work. <br>
<br>
the situation is much different, of course, if they *ask* for an
artist, or ask to be introduced to new things, or suggest a purpose for
which drawing and art and dance and such would seem to be a natural
vehicle. then we can have somebody along, and i might recommend a
drummer or an artist or a massage therapist, and let them make the
arrangements directly, just like the hotel choosing. in those
cases, i'm looking for people who can come in as artists who know how
to facilitate... to invite the art of others, not bring their own
art. i'm looking for people who have an art about art
making. <br>
<br>
you've said just a very little bit about how you do your work.
you've called yourself a visual facilitator rather than an
artist. what i've heard so far leads me to think that you are
very much working in that realm of inviting other people to express
their own art. so i'd like to hear more and more about how you
actually do that... and even more than that, given that we are hundreds
around the world here and most won't get to work together with you...
is there anything that we as facilitators can do to make a more
welcoming and workable invitation to people to express in other
ways. perhaps there is something as simple as a long list of
materials that you could suggest to us, and that might be offered to a
client... so that they might choose to provide these for ppts.
maybe it doesn't work without someone expert in using these materials
to help people get started. anyway, i know what we usually do to
open space for story/word expression and i'd be interested in what it
is that you do to "open space" for visual expression. how do you
make and support and sustain that sort of invitation?<br>
<br>
michaelh<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Visuelle Protokolle</b> <<a href="mailto:mail@visuelle-protokolle.de">mail@visuelle-protokolle.de</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Hi Birgitt,</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">you are challenging me! So I jump into the ring, as an outsider.
</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">When Harrison Owen used the fourfold way of Angeles Arrien to
form the method of Open Space, he did an ingenious job, as the
world wide distribution of the method shows every day. But
...</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Now Open Space seems to me to be both, a method and a movement.
The movement organizes OSonOssses etc. and spreads also with amazing speed.
</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">I am not part of the movement, but I admire the method, use it
sometimes, and took part as a visual facilitator (I prefer that expression to
visual artist) several times, so also together with you. And since years I
am a member of this list serve and follow the discussions.</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">So if I am asking for a dialogue, what have I to say, and what do
I expect?</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">A dialogue for me is different from a discussion. In a discussion
everybody tries to be right and convince the others, in a dialogue everybody
listens and is ready to learn. So I tell my story, and am curious what will
happen.</font></span></div></div><div><span class="q">
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Michael Hermann writes:</font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">" </font><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080">is the artist's
work beautiful, interesting, magical, and more<span>?</span> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my
own summation?"</font></font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"></font></font></span> </div></span></div><div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span> Of course Michael expects
everybody to cry out "of course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</span></font></font></span></div>
<p align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span>For me the method of OS is brilliant at its beginning,
excellent in the middle, and only slightly average at the end. I see no value in
boaring texts, written by the obediant ones. I am no friend of spoken reports of
group results. Words, words, words. I am missing the fire that was alive in the
groups! Alive, not online, not typed, to feel it with your senses! And I know,
that images can help a lot here.</span></font></font></p>
<p align="left" dir="ltr"><span> <font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Right now I take part in a project (not OS), where
the client organized 200 interviews of storytelling, done in pairs, and the
listening partner did write the story down. Then it was revised and typed, then
revised again, and now all the stories are dead and boaring! A true storyteller
would have used the content and would have given it a form to reach people, to
bring the message to the public. For me that is beautiful! You also could build
a scene play, dance the messages, sing them, draw them (what I
did).</font></span></p>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana">Birgitt, you wrote:" <font size="2"><font face="Arial">when you gave
us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended up going much deeper
through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
"</font></font></font></span></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"><font size="2"><font face="Arial"></font></font></font></span> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span><font><font>Since for me you are the one,
who really </font></font></span>a<span>dded value
to Harrisons method, by taking into account the givens, as framework for
the openness, by adding the 'Purpose' in the middle of the medicine wheel, and
above all by daring to offer OS as an ongoing method within organizations, and
to teach organizations to use it this way, may be you understand what I am
asking for. It is not only a better way of documentation (what images of course
can offer), it is the wonderful opportunity, no, the necessity, to transport the
spirit of all what happens in Open Space first to all the senses of the
participants and then to whom it may concern.</span></font></font></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span>All this for me is true in every Open Space session,
and I know that people can be trained as 'transporters of spirit'. wether by
drawing or any other way. In the meantime it is a good solution to have someone
from the outside, as witness, as reciever, container, and that is what I can
offer to be.</span></font></font></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span>If artists use Open Space for their themes, if they
explode dancing, singing, drawing, beautiful. But that is not what I am talking
about, unless all of us are keen enough to detect the artist insides
themselves.</span></font></font></div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left"><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"><span>Blessings</span></font></div></div><div><span class="q">
<div align="left"><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"><span></span></font> </div>
<div align="left"><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"><span>Reinhard</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font color="#000080" face="Verdana"></font> </div>
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PROTOKOLLE</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> OSLIST
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Birgitt
Williams<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 14:19</font></div><div><span class="q"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br><b>An:</b>
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br></font></span></div><div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Betreff:
</b> Re: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space<br></font><br></div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10d3fe600d3e1a0b_7">
<div></div>
<div>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Hi <span>Reinhard</span>,</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">You know that I admire
your work very much and have appreciated your help in our workshops, and when
you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended up going much
deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">What interested me in
your mail to this list was your comment "</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years."
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">If you have the energy
for it, I would very much like to hear from you regarding what you were hoping
the dialogue would be. I have an idea that you, who know OST very well, have
some insights that we all could benefit from.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Blessings,</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Birgitt</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Verdana;"></span></font>
</p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Birgitt
Williams</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;"><img height="138" width="252"></span></font></p></div>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original
Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Visuelle Protokolle<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 21, 2006 2:34
AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: Working with visual artists at
an Open Space</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">Hi
Chris, and all you others,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">I was
hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since
years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same
treasure in and on similar ways.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">But then
I get Harrison's "</span></font><font color="black" face="Arial Narrow"><span style="color: black;">One caution about visual
artists and other such addendum</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">" and ask me, and ask you: Are you,
like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing people, helping them a
bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high priests and I am the
addendum?</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">Mit
freundlichen Grüßen</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">best
regards</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-family: Verdana;">Reinhard</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="DE"> OSLIST
[mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Chris Corrigan<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 9. August 2006
18:51<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Working with visual artists at an
Open Space</span></font><span lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi mates:<br><br>I have an opportunity
coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am
doing. The clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the
possibility, but haven't ever done that before. <br><br>So what kind of
good stories do you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a
modality) in Open Space.<br><br>Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis
around? Others?<br clear="all"><br>Chris<br><br>-- <br>CHRIS
CORRIGAN<br>Consultation - Facilitation<br>Open Space Technology<br><br>Weblog:
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