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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Hi Birgitt,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>you are challenging me! So I jump into the ring, as an outsider.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>When Harrison Owen used the fourfold way of Angeles Arrien to
form the method of Open Space, he did an ingenious job, as the
world wide distribution of the method shows every day. But
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Now Open Space seems to me to be both, a method and a movement.
The movement organizes OSonOssses etc. and spreads also with amazing speed.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>I am not part of the movement, but I admire the method, use it
sometimes, and took part as a visual facilitator (I prefer that expression to
visual artist) several times, so also together with you. And since years I
am a member of this list serve and follow the discussions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>So if I am asking for a dialogue, what have I to say, and what do
I expect?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>A dialogue for me is different from a discussion. In a discussion
everybody tries to be right and convince the others, in a dialogue everybody
listens and is ready to learn. So I tell my story, and am curious what will
happen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Michael Hermann writes:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>" </FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080>is the artist's
work beautiful, interesting, magical, and more<SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>?</SPAN> yes, of course. but what if i am a great story
teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my
own summation?"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
color=#000080><SPAN class=678215509-24082006> Of course Michael expects
everybody to cry out "of course not!" But I say: WHY NOT??????
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>For me the method of OS is brilliant at its beginning,
excellent in the middle, and only slightly average at the end. I see no value in
boaring texts, written by the obediant ones. I am no friend of spoken reports of
group results. Words, words, words. I am missing the fire that was alive in the
groups! Alive, not online, not typed, to feel it with your senses! And I know,
that images can help a lot here.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left></SPAN><SPAN class=678215509-24082006> <FONT
face=Verdana color=#000080>Right now I take part in a project (not OS), where
the client organized 200 interviews of storytelling, done in pairs, and the
listening partner did write the story down. Then it was revised and typed, then
revised again, and now all the stories are dead and boaring! A true storyteller
would have used the content and would have given it a form to reach people, to
bring the message to the public. For me that is beautiful! You also could build
a scene play, dance the messages, sing them, draw them (what I
did).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Birgitt, you wrote:" <FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>when you gave
us your gifts as a visual artist, people’s learning ended up going much deeper
through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
"</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006><FONT><FONT><o:p>Since for me you are the one,
who really </o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN>a<SPAN class=678215509-24082006>dded value
to Harrisons method, by taking into account the givens, as framework for
the openness, by adding the 'Purpose' in the middle of the medicine wheel, and
above all by daring to offer OS as an ongoing method within organizations, and
to teach organizations to use it this way, may be you understand what I am
asking for. It is not only a better way of documentation (what images of course
can offer), it is the wonderful opportunity, no, the necessity, to transport the
spirit of all what happens in Open Space first to all the senses of the
participants and then to whom it may concern.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>All this for me is true in every Open Space session,
and I know that people can be trained as 'transporters of spirit'. wether by
drawing or any other way. In the meantime it is a good solution to have someone
from the outside, as witness, as reciever, container, and that is what I can
offer to be.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>If artists use Open Space for their themes, if they
explode dancing, singing, drawing, beautiful. But that is not what I am talking
about, unless all of us are keen enough to detect the artist insides
themselves.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=678215509-24082006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>Blessings</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=678215509-24082006>Reinhard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>VISUELLE
PROTOKOLLE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Kuchenmüller &
Stifel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>tel +39-0566-88
929</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>www.visuelle-protokolle.de</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>Im Auftrag von </B>Birgitt
Williams<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 14:19<BR><B>An:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: Working with visual
artists at an Open Space<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi <SPAN
class=SpellE>Reinhard</SPAN>,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You know that I admire
your work very much and have appreciated your help in our workshops, and when
you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people’s learning ended up going much
deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What interested me in
your mail to this list was your comment “</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years.”
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you have the energy
for it, I would very much like to hear from you regarding what you were hoping
the dialogue would be. I have an idea that you, who know OST very well, have
some insights that we all could benefit from.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Blessings,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Birgitt</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Birgitt
Williams<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><IMG id=_x0000_i1026
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Visuelle Protokolle<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 21, 2006 2:34
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> AW: Working with visual artists at
an Open Space</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hi
Chris, and all you others,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was
hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since
years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same
treasure in and on similar ways.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But then
I get Harrison's "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">One caution about visual
artists and other such addendum</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">" and ask me, and ask you: Are you,
like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing people, helping them a
bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high priests and I am the
addendum?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mit
freundlichen Grüßen</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">best
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Reinhard</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: DE"> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im
Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Chris Corrigan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Mittwoch, 9. August 2006
18:51<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Working with visual artists at an
Open Space</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE
style="mso-ansi-language: DE"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi mates:<BR><BR>I have an opportunity
coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am
doing. The clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the
possibility, but haven't ever done that before. <BR><BR>So what kind of
good stories do you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a
modality) in Open Space.<BR><BR>Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis
around? Others?<BR clear=all><BR>Chris<BR><BR>-- <BR>CHRIS
CORRIGAN<BR>Consultation - Facilitation<BR>Open Space Technology<BR><BR>Weblog:
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<A href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</A><BR>Open
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