Dear Josef<br>
You might want to communicate with Bill Cleveland.  His email is
<a href="http://www.artandcommunity.com/index.html">http://www.artandcommunity.com/index.html</a>.  He uses open space
working with artists and communities to do what you have described. I
have found him to be quite skilled working with open space and
committed to creating the environment you have described.  He is a
muscian himself. He is not on this list to my knowledge but has a email
connect on his website.  I think you will find him quite
knowledgeable, committted and successful at achieving what you have
described.  There is a post somewhere in the archives that
Harrison posted from him.  Good luck.<br>
Pat Black<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">joralt</b> <<a href="mailto:joralt@netvision.net.il">joralt@netvision.net.il</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">Dear Kerry</span></font></p>

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr"> </span></font></p>

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">So far my experience is quite frustrating as the level
of skepticism in this region towards anything inclusive and open is rather
high.</span></font></p>

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">When I search the web, there is very little activity that's
going on and a recent symposium that was held on the subject of the current
affairs in the field of the visual arts, was held in the usual "know it
all experts" style, "explaining" the problems to the community
of artists, who were sitting quietly and listening to what those
"experts" have to say.</span></font></p>

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">Still, I believe that a good idea like OS will
eventually prevail given some time to familiarize with the concepts.</span></font></p>

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">Thanks for sharing.</span></font></p></div><div><span class="q">

<p style="text-align: left; direction: rtl;" align="right" dir="rtl"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="ltr">Josef </span></font></p>

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<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Josef Ralt</span></font></p>

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<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">home:97236821621</span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeralt" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeralt
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<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of kerry napuk<br>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:29 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: OS with Artists</span></font></p>

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<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi Josef</span></font><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="rtl" lang="HE"> </span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Open Futures did a series of events with the Scottish
Arts Council</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>. </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">In fact my first  event was with 175 people to
look at the future of</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl"><span dir="rtl"></span> <span lang="HE"></span></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">the theatre sector.    It worked
because the whole system (actors</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>, </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">directors, administrators, companies across Scotland, funders
and the</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl"><span dir="rtl"></span> <span lang="HE"></span></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">media) was in one room - a trolly shed converted into
a gigantic</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl"><span dir="rtl"></span>
<span lang="HE"></span></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">gallery</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>.</span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="rtl" lang="HE"> </span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The group established a new set of priorities
including children's</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span> </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">theatre, which the Council wanted to promote but did
not know how to</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span> </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">do.  While the event was in 1997, people still
talk about the change</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span> </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">that took place</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>.</span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="rtl" lang="HE"> </span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">So, if you can get everyone who has an interest and
stake in "the</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span> </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">artistic community," they will identify their key
issues and find</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span> </span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">ways to deal with them</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>.</span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="rtl" lang="HE"> </span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Good luck</span></font><span dir="rtl"></span><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"><span dir="rtl"></span>!</span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" dir="rtl" lang="HE"> </span></font></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Kerry</span></font><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Edinburgh</span></font><span dir="rtl" lang="HE"></span></p>

<p dir="ltr"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="http://www.openfutures.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.openfutures.com</a></span></font>
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