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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Josef and all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have similar questions, suspicions and
discussions that you raised. Yet, i also feel that we are in a process of
combining all these :</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>feelings, senses, creativity, service,
work, business, make a living, joy, business and
responsibility. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Funda</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=joralt@netvision.net.il
href="mailto:joralt@netvision.net.il">joralt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Working with visual artists
at an Open Space</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Hi Reinhard and
all<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Your question
describes very accurately my feelings of deep unease when it comes to how
people of many "open space" institutes (such as Learning Organizations or
Chaordic Alliance, for example) treat artists and their invaluable
contributions all the while using the concept of artistic behavior to describe
the new and innovative ways of doing business and how the new leadership in
all walks of life should learn from jazz musicians, designers and architects.
Yet, when you check how many artists are actually comprising the active
leading teams of all those organizations all you will find is more of the same
business and all old school management people who have suddenly realized how
profitable is to sell their Ferrari after you moved your cheese out of the
artists way. For most of those artists opening space is a daily and routine
activity, done mostly with the deep visceral knowledge of how to balance
content and form in the best possible way within a context of a given
composition. And this is precisely because this knowledge is not based on
mental conception there is such a deep distrust of any input coming from
feelings and the senses, so I am not surprised a bit to hear that we are the
addendum that one should be careful about as we might bring some true
innovation and insights and tip the balance against the dominance of the
ruling literary and word oriented elite.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">All the
best<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Josef
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Josef
Ralt</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">mobile:972528000278</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">home:97236821621</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeralt">http://www.flickr.c<SPAN
lang=DE>om/photos/joeralt</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=DE><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Visuelle Protokolle<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 21, 2006 8:34
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> AW: Working with visual artists
at an Open Space</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hi Chris, and
all you others,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I was hoping that
your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since years I am
on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same treasure in
and on similar ways.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But then I get
Harrison's "</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">One caution about visual
artists and other such addendum</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">" and ask me, and
ask you: Are you, like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing
people, helping them a bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high
priests and I am the addendum?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mit freundlichen
Grüßen</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">best
regards</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Reinhard</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Chris Corrigan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Mittwoch, 9. August 2006
18:51<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Working with visual artists at
an Open Space</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi mates:<BR><BR>I have an opportunity coming up in
the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am doing. The
clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the possibility, but
haven't ever done that before. <BR><BR>So what kind of good stories do
you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a modality) in Open
Space.<BR><BR>Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis around?
Others?<BR clear=all><BR>Chris<BR><BR>-- <BR>CHRIS CORRIGAN<BR>Consultation -
Facilitation<BR>Open Space Technology<BR><BR>Weblog: <A
href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot</A><BR>Site:
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href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</A><BR>Open
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