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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>There is something I'm trying to get at
and still grappling with how to say it. It has something to do with what
you said, Harrison:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>> Actually I would see "butterfly-ness" as the essence
of Open Space and all the rest as </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>> a practical accommodation to the needs of
some (many) people for a specific time, place, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>> and topic. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Here's another attempt:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Since we are always in Open
Space, posting sessions becomes one specialized form that allows me to find
people interested in a topic that I want to explore. As Tree was saying
about her NCDD experience (mine too, BTW), the</FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
size=2> more time I spend in OS, the more I find that I'm drawn to
people, relationships as much or more than topics or ideas. In fact, the
last time I opened space, rather than focusing on the posting of topics as the
primary activity, I framed it in the context of the larger Open Space in
which we live. Sometimes we follow our noses to where the energy is,
sometimes we are moved to meet with specific people, to deepen a relationship,
and sometimes, we have an idea and want to explore it with others - hence the
bulletin board.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Something I saw happen in the later years
of Spirited Work was fewer topics on the walls and more conversations that just
sprang up because we were hanging out with people we loved (whether we knew them
or now). It was as if the foreground and background shifted - being
together for whatever emerged became the norm, posting sessions happened when
some specific topic had juice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>This is slightly different from my
butterfly question, but in the same family.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>(BTW, a bit more the the story on the
"culturally mature" session...nothing particularly useful happened that
evening. It did however, lead to a posting in which any and all who cared
to participate came to a session in which they experienced his process.
That session was quite meaty. I don't know for sure, but suspect the
public session would likely not have happened had that first whispered
session not taken place.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>still wondering,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Peggy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:00
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OSLIST] Advanced Butterfly
Behavior</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hi H (Harrison) and Peggy.<BR><BR>Hmmmmmmmmmm . .
.<BR><BR>There is an element here for me that is implied in Peggy's<BR>piece
and your response to it that I would like to explore . . .<BR><BR>The
"butterfly" phenomena in OST has been widely acknowledged<BR>by you and
others. As a dedicated "butterfly" myself, I find<BR>that I do have some
reflections on the topic that Peggy has raised.<BR><BR>In my "butterfly-ness",
I assemble, attract, and/or am attracted<BR>to people with which I typically
have very intense, personal, and<BR>private conversations with. These
conversations occur in both 1:1<BR>and group forms. H, over the years, you and
I have had these types <BR>of interactions with each other -- in the midst of
OS events.<BR><BR>In my "butterfly-ness", I discern who I want to be in
conversation <BR>with -- The Law of Two Feet -- and then act upon that
discernment. <BR>As you know H, I rarely actually attend "called" (posted)
sessions.<BR><BR>Yet, I feel welcome to play in Open Space -- not negatively
judged <BR>for my discernment -- my exercise of The Law of Two Feet.<BR><BR>In
my "butterfly-ness", I learn to hear, see, and love other people.<BR>And
perhaps others learn to hear, see, and love me and each other.<BR>I acquire
and refine insights and discover connections. <BR><BR>Unfortunately, I
rarely document my learnings within the formal <BR>mechanisms of OST.
And my "public" sharings do not contain the <BR>richness of the private
details that I have discovered.<BR><BR>Yet, I feel that there is some common
good that comes of it.<BR>Some mutual sense of interconnection, compassion,
and understanding<BR>is established. Some of the insights are returned
to the public<BR>forum. And, interpersonal relationships are established
and/or<BR>reinforced.<BR><BR>AND --- All of this occurs "outside" of the
formal process and form<BR>of OST. "Butterfly-ness" is acknowledged by
the process, and held <BR>by the form of OST. But it is not the
practice-normed form of OST<BR>which is essentially -- gatherings around
publicly advertised topics <BR>and conveners in specific places at specific
times.<BR><BR>If in the two examples that Peggy gave, the participants had
simply<BR>"butterflyed" their intention to meet together -- there would have
<BR>been no public declaration and no public outrage and judgment,
and<BR>possibly no public sharing. The "sessions" would have occurred
outside<BR>of the formal process and form of OST. <BR><BR>But I suspect
that the session participants chose to try to in some way <BR>to "honor" the
formal process and form of OST by attempting to use some <BR>of the OST
mechanisms of "public" declaration. This partial revelation <BR>of
intent created a public stir regarding what was in all likelihood <BR>a space
in which very personal and private conversations could
occur.<BR><BR><BR>Peggy's inquiry provokes me to ponder: <BR> * What ways
does and can the formal process and form of OST more
deeply<BR> embrace and benefit from
"butterfly-ness"?<BR> * Does the formal process and form of OST
fundamentally reject "private"<BR> conversation and its
manifestation in some forms of "butterfly-ness"?<BR> * Is the
manifestation of some forms of "butterfly-ness" as
"private"<BR> conversation a perversion of OST?<BR> * Is
acting upon "The Law of Two Feet" as a means of
interpersonal<BR> relationship discernment a perversion of
OST?<BR> * In the cultural norms of OST, am I required to give up my
practice<BR> of choosing who I want to interact
with?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT
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<B>From: </B>Harrison Owen <hhowen@adelphia.net><BR><B>Reply-To:
</B>Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><BR><B>Date: </B>Tue, 15 Aug 2006
08:13:27 -0400<BR><B>To:
</B><OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Advanced
Butterfly Behavior<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face=Arial>I am not sure that I would see such occurrences as "advanced
butterfly behavior. Narrow minded and shortsighted come to mind. Folks will do
what they will do -- and whatever happens is the only thing that could have. .
. but I really think that the conveners of such groups are short-changing
themselves and all those who come to the session (and maybe all those who
don't, as well). By arbitrarily restricting the diversity of the group the
potential for new and deeper thought/experience is radically reduced. I must
also confess to a certain abhorrence to terms like "culturally mature" -- and
even more with those who think they could make such a determination. I am
reminded of the situation at the recent OS for Imams and Rabbis. As it
happened there were several young students present including a delightful 19
year old lady from Indonesia. On the face of it, I doubt she would have made
anybody's list as "culturally mature." And given her natural modesty I am sure
that she would never have made the association for herself. But the fact of
the matter is that her natural charm, intelligence and curiosity made her in
my eyes (and for others as well) one of the real stars of the gathering. If
nothing else, she was willing to ask questions that everybody else was
assiduously avoiding. Would I do anything to stop such segregated gatherings?
No -- but I guess I would hope that part of the learning curve for the
Culturally Mature was coming to see that there are really better ways than
hiding out in a room, talking to each other.<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Harrison<BR></FONT><FONT
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face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Peggy Holman <A
href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com"><mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 14, 2006 8:26
PM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> Advanced Butterfly
Behavior<BR> <BR><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=4><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">As I mentioned in my last e-mail, now that I’m
back after about a year away from the OS list, I’ve got a variety of
questions, stories and learnings to share over the next few weeks.
This question popped to the top of my
list.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">There is a situation that I have now
experienced twice in long OS gatherings with many experienced OSers.
It is a dynamic that has an important and potentially dissonant
energy. I'm wondering if others have encountered this and what
their thoughts are on it. My suspicion is that we'll see more of
it as more people attend longer OS gatherings and generally develop
more experience with OS.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">My hunch is that this is a phenomenon that
deserves a name, much like bumblebees and
butterflies.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">So, with that preamble, here's the description
and two specific examples:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">There's a session that emerges from what is
happening in the mix. The convenor(s) have some very specific
people they wish to meet with and aren't interested in having it open
to whoever wanders in. It is similar to what happens when
butterflies meet but because there is more intentionality and
potentially larger numbers, it is its own
thing.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Two examples:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">At the April Evolutionary
Salon:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">We had an expert in a process who
was willing to do a session but he felt that his work required a
targeted group (in his terms, the "culturally mature"). We were
interested in experiencing this and quietly put the word out to the
people we wanted in the room. When others also came, they were
welcomed.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">At the Practice of Peace in 2003 and in her
words:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><I>On the last day of the
conference, I woke up with a clarity of what I should do if I really
cared to take this rare, international opportunity one step further
into the future. I saw a session with specific people
(very engaged and personally interested, committed to the theme I was
passionate to explore, with very "concentrated energy" that I felt was
essential for a breakthrough in clarity and identifying what was
next.) <BR></I></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">She was fine if others appeared but did
not wish to announce the session. She pulled the post-it for the
space from the time/space grid and then quietly put out the word to
the people she had in mind. Some of them came to the session and
others chose to go to other sessions. A few others appeared during the
session and were welcomed. She created a session report an hour
after the session was over. She had intended to talk about the session
and the experimentation during the closing circle. (For a
variety of unrelated reasons, that closing circle never quite
happened, so this became painful unfinished business for her.)In both
cases, there was some reflection by the hosts after the OS completed.
Some saw the sessions as fine, appropriate butterfly behavior.
Others were disturbed by the lack of transparency, feeling that
it was a drag on the energy field.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">I am reflecting that as participants become
very mature, posting such sessions, complete with a mindful request
about who comes is an ideal for this; also VERY challenging to
do!<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Thoughts?<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Peggy<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
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