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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080
size=2>Fascinating...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>I
was right with Harrison & Tree, recalling my own experience
so many humans have had on the playground of life when you see a group
of "kids" playing and talking and you feel the exclusive energy of their group
and know you weren't invited...and that perhaps if you walked over they
would walk away, or sigh heavily and change the subject!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
face=Georgia color=#000080>Mark's second &
third ponderings:</FONT> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Verdana size=2> * Does the
formal process and form of OST fundamentally reject
"private"<BR> conversation and its manifestation in some forms
of "butterfly-ness"?<BR> * Is the manifestation of some forms of
"butterfly-ness" as "private"<BR> conversation a perversion of
OST?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>I
guess that as a participant I consider the opening of space in OST to be an
invitation to practice a discipline of openness in all my conversations, to be
an energy field in which anyone can pull up a chair without asking
permission. Permission is already granted with the opening of the
space.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>I
have butterflied as you describe, Mark, but not I trust in a way
that rescinds the invitation of anyone to join. And I have not
moved around the space issuing specific invitations to specific people...except
when I've posted a new topic on the wall and wanted to let some folks
know....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>I
don't think the process & form of OST reject...anything. If apparently
closed spaces appear, my own response would be simply to practice the discipline
of energetic openness in whatever way the moment called for, whether I was a
participant or a facilitator.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>I
reflect that sometimes during an OST I need a private conversation
with myself! And I realize that I always escape and sit off in the
bushes somewhere where no one can see me, because I feel that even a solitary
"private" moment in the common space goes against the grain of
openness.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080
size=2>Thanks for the question Peggy, and it's great to have you back aboard in
words!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=074070819-15082006><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080
size=2>Chris</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT face=Georgia color=#000080 size=2>Chris
Weaver<BR>Springbranch, Inc.<BR>Asheville, North Carolina USA<BR></FONT><A
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size=2>chris@springbranch.us</FONT></A><BR><A
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark R.
Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Advanced Butterfly
Behavior<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hi H (Harrison) and Peggy.<BR><BR>Hmmmmmmmmmm . .
.<BR><BR>There is an element here for me that is implied in Peggy's<BR>piece
and your response to it that I would like to explore . . .<BR><BR>The
"butterfly" phenomena in OST has been widely acknowledged<BR>by you and
others. As a dedicated "butterfly" myself, I find<BR>that I do have some
reflections on the topic that Peggy has raised.<BR><BR>In my "butterfly-ness",
I assemble, attract, and/or am attracted<BR>to people with which I typically
have very intense, personal, and<BR>private conversations with. These
conversations occur in both 1:1<BR>and group forms. H, over the years, you and
I have had these types <BR>of interactions with each other -- in the midst of
OS events.<BR><BR>In my "butterfly-ness", I discern who I want to be in
conversation <BR>with -- The Law of Two Feet -- and then act upon that
discernment. <BR>As you know H, I rarely actually attend "called" (posted)
sessions.<BR><BR>Yet, I feel welcome to play in Open Space -- not negatively
judged <BR>for my discernment -- my exercise of The Law of Two Feet.<BR><BR>In
my "butterfly-ness", I learn to hear, see, and love other people.<BR>And
perhaps others learn to hear, see, and love me and each other.<BR>I acquire
and refine insights and discover connections. <BR><BR>Unfortunately, I
rarely document my learnings within the formal <BR>mechanisms of OST.
And my "public" sharings do not contain the <BR>richness of the private
details that I have discovered.<BR><BR>Yet, I feel that there is some common
good that comes of it.<BR>Some mutual sense of interconnection, compassion,
and understanding<BR>is established. Some of the insights are returned
to the public<BR>forum. And, interpersonal relationships are established
and/or<BR>reinforced.<BR><BR>AND --- All of this occurs "outside" of the
formal process and form<BR>of OST. "Butterfly-ness" is acknowledged by
the process, and held <BR>by the form of OST. But it is not the
practice-normed form of OST<BR>which is essentially -- gatherings around
publicly advertised topics <BR>and conveners in specific places at specific
times.<BR><BR>If in the two examples that Peggy gave, the participants had
simply<BR>"butterflyed" their intention to meet together -- there would have
<BR>been no public declaration and no public outrage and judgment,
and<BR>possibly no public sharing. The "sessions" would have occurred
outside<BR>of the formal process and form of OST. <BR><BR>But I suspect
that the session participants chose to try to in some way <BR>to "honor" the
formal process and form of OST by attempting to use some <BR>of the OST
mechanisms of "public" declaration. This partial revelation <BR>of
intent created a public stir regarding what was in all likelihood <BR>a space
in which very personal and private conversations could
occur.<BR><BR><BR>Peggy's inquiry provokes me to ponder: <BR> * What ways
does and can the formal process and form of OST more
deeply<BR> embrace and benefit from
"butterfly-ness"?<BR> * Does the formal process and form of OST
fundamentally reject "private"<BR> conversation and its
manifestation in some forms of "butterfly-ness"?<BR> * Is the
manifestation of some forms of "butterfly-ness" as
"private"<BR> conversation a perversion of OST?<BR> * Is
acting upon "The Law of Two Feet" as a means of
interpersonal<BR> relationship discernment a perversion of
OST?<BR> * In the cultural norms of OST, am I required to give up my
practice<BR> of choosing who I want to interact
with?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT
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<B>From: </B>Harrison Owen <hhowen@adelphia.net><BR><B>Reply-To:
</B>Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><BR><B>Date: </B>Tue, 15 Aug 2006
08:13:27 -0400<BR><B>To:
</B><OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU><BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Advanced
Butterfly Behavior<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face=Arial>I am not sure that I would see such occurrences as "advanced
butterfly behavior. Narrow minded and shortsighted come to mind. Folks will do
what they will do -- and whatever happens is the only thing that could have. .
. but I really think that the conveners of such groups are short-changing
themselves and all those who come to the session (and maybe all those who
don't, as well). By arbitrarily restricting the diversity of the group the
potential for new and deeper thought/experience is radically reduced. I must
also confess to a certain abhorrence to terms like "culturally mature" -- and
even more with those who think they could make such a determination. I am
reminded of the situation at the recent OS for Imams and Rabbis. As it
happened there were several young students present including a delightful 19
year old lady from Indonesia. On the face of it, I doubt she would have made
anybody's list as "culturally mature." And given her natural modesty I am sure
that she would never have made the association for herself. But the fact of
the matter is that her natural charm, intelligence and curiosity made her in
my eyes (and for others as well) one of the real stars of the gathering. If
nothing else, she was willing to ask questions that everybody else was
assiduously avoiding. Would I do anything to stop such segregated gatherings?
No -- but I guess I would hope that part of the learning curve for the
Culturally Mature was coming to see that there are really better ways than
hiding out in a room, talking to each other.<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Harrison<BR></FONT><FONT
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face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Peggy Holman <A
href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com"><mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 14, 2006 8:26
PM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> Advanced Butterfly
Behavior<BR> <BR><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=4><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">As I mentioned in my last e-mail, now that I’m
back after about a year away from the OS list, I’ve got a variety of
questions, stories and learnings to share over the next few weeks.
This question popped to the top of my
list.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">There is a situation that I have now
experienced twice in long OS gatherings with many experienced OSers.
It is a dynamic that has an important and potentially dissonant
energy. I'm wondering if others have encountered this and what
their thoughts are on it. My suspicion is that we'll see more of
it as more people attend longer OS gatherings and generally develop
more experience with OS.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">My hunch is that this is a phenomenon that
deserves a name, much like bumblebees and
butterflies.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">So, with that preamble, here's the description
and two specific examples:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">There's a session that emerges from what is
happening in the mix. The convenor(s) have some very specific
people they wish to meet with and aren't interested in having it open
to whoever wanders in. It is similar to what happens when
butterflies meet but because there is more intentionality and
potentially larger numbers, it is its own
thing.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Two examples:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">At the April Evolutionary
Salon:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">We had an expert in a process who
was willing to do a session but he felt that his work required a
targeted group (in his terms, the "culturally mature"). We were
interested in experiencing this and quietly put the word out to the
people we wanted in the room. When others also came, they were
welcomed.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">At the Practice of Peace in 2003 and in her
words:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><I>On the last day of the
conference, I woke up with a clarity of what I should do if I really
cared to take this rare, international opportunity one step further
into the future. I saw a session with specific people
(very engaged and personally interested, committed to the theme I was
passionate to explore, with very "concentrated energy" that I felt was
essential for a breakthrough in clarity and identifying what was
next.) <BR></I></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">She was fine if others appeared but did
not wish to announce the session. She pulled the post-it for the
space from the time/space grid and then quietly put out the word to
the people she had in mind. Some of them came to the session and
others chose to go to other sessions. A few others appeared during the
session and were welcomed. She created a session report an hour
after the session was over. She had intended to talk about the session
and the experimentation during the closing circle. (For a
variety of unrelated reasons, that closing circle never quite
happened, so this became painful unfinished business for her.)In both
cases, there was some reflection by the hosts after the OS completed.
Some saw the sessions as fine, appropriate butterfly behavior.
Others were disturbed by the lack of transparency, feeling that
it was a drag on the energy field.<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">I am reflecting that as participants become
very mature, posting such sessions, complete with a mindful request
about who comes is an ideal for this; also VERY challenging to
do!<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Thoughts?<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Peggy<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
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