That's it Avner...it's about questioning the assumptions in the plan. Your OST may run counter to everything that is the plan.<br><br>And big hugs out to you Avner.<br><br>Chris<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/7/06,
<b class="gmail_sendername">avner</b> <<a href="mailto:avnerh@zahav.net.il">avnerh@zahav.net.il</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear Chris and Eva, As we all know QA purpose is to
make sure that what is done suits what we plan. The assumption is that what we
plan is the best choice. But what happens when the image that we have,
translated to a plan is misleading? What happens when we do not
know in advance what`s best?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Avner Haramati</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">troubled and very sad Jerusalem </font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> SV: Re: Open Space and Quality
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Hi Chris and thank
you for quick answer!!!</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">I agree with you that
Open Space go beyond quality assurance and of course QA is about control…
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Wingdings;" lang="EN-GB">J</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">And we cannot control
the process or the outcome – that we know – but I am more thinking about the
format. The way we are working with "it". Preparation meeting, the OS meeting
itself, and follow up meeting. And I was thinking about that exactly this –
our world wide community with over 500 persons developing, sharing, "arguing"
about how to do, and why to do, and the best way to do etc etc – couldn't we
call that QA??</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Cheers from a late
evening in the west coast of Sweden (where we for the moment are
hosts for the European Championship in
athletics!)</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">:o)</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Eva</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Lucida Handwriting" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">Eva
P Svensson</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:eva@epshumaninvest.se" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">eva@epshumaninvest.se</span></font></a>, <a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
www.epshumaninvest.se</span></font></a></span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Från:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
OSLIST [mailto:<a href="mailto:OSLIST@">OSLIST@</a><a href="http://LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">
För </span></b>Chris Corrigan<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Skickat:</span></b> den 7 augusti 2006
21:26<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Till:</span></b> OSLIST@<a href="http://LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">
Ämne:</span></b> [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Open Space
and Quality Assurance</span></font></p></div>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I think Open Space transcends quality
assurance. It's a tricky thing, but to my mind quality assurance is
about control. How can you assure quality when whatever happens is the
only thing that could have?<br><br>You might instead write in the proposal
about both/and. In your project you might use quality assurance
processes to do some things, but then use Open Space to ask the question, what
else can we be? What are the areas of qualities that we don;t know
about? How much better can we get? <br><br>And the answers to these
questions are "we don't know." Your proposal then becomes about why this
is a GOOD thing.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Chris</span></font></p>
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 8/7/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Eva P Svensson</span></b> <<a href="mailto:eva@epshumaninvest.se" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
eva@epshumaninvest.se</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Hello out
there!</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">I am in the middle of writing a
public procurement and will of course suggest Open Space as one way of
working. One of the questions they are asking is about quality assurance – In
my mind for example the way we operate here on this list, on our OS on OS's is
really quality assurance! </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">What do you think, how would you
express a question about how we work with quality assurance for open
space??</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Looking forward to hear your
thoughts!</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">All the
best</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">:o)</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Eva</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB">Bästa
hälsningar</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Lucida Handwriting" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);" lang="EN-GB">Eva
</span></font><font color="#993366" face="Lucida Handwriting" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">P
Svensson</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;">EPS Human Invest
AB</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><i><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-style: italic; font-family: Arial;">"Verksamhetsutveckling
genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och
organisationer!"</span></font></i></p>
<p><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;">Anåsbergsvägen 22,
</span></font><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;">439 34
ONSALA</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;">Tfn: 0300-615
05</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> , <font color="#993366"><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">Mobil: 0706-89 85
50</span></font></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font color="#993366" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(153, 51, 102); font-family: Arial;"><a href="mailto:eva@epshumaninvest.se" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">eva@epshumaninvest.se</span></font></a>, <a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
www.epshumaninvest.se</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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