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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Funda wrote: Just for the record –
the words, "What do we want to show and what do we actually show?"
are Mizra’s title</span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>not Mizra but Mirza is the correct name.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Right you are Funda – my dyslexia got
the better of me.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison</span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
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<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison Owen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Potomac,
Maryland 20854</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Phone </span></font><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>301-365-2093</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Skype hhowen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Open Space Training</span></font><font
color=red><span style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></font></a>
</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Open Space Institute</span></font><font
color=red><span style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></a></span></font></p>
<p align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Personal website</span></font><font
color=red><span style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>www.ho-image.com</span></font></a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Funda Oral<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 25, 2006
2:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: YNT: Opening Space in
some different ways</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Just for the record
– the words, "What do we want to show and what do we actually
show?" are Mizra’s title</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>not
Mizra but Mirza is the correct name.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>--- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" title="hhowen@verizon.net">Harrison Owen</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
February 20, 2006 6:25 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: YNT:
Opening Space in some different ways</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Just for the record –
the words, "What do we want to show and what do we actually show?"
are Mizra’s title. As often happens, the formatting got lost in the
transmission. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:red'>ho</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Harrison Owen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>7808 River Falls Drive</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Potomac, Maryland 20854</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Phone 301-365-2093</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Skype hhowen</span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Open Space Training</span></font><font color=red><span
style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com"><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></font></a> </span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Open Space Institute</span></font><font color=red><span
style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org"><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>www.openspaceworld.org</span></font></a></span></font></p>
<p align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=3
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Personal website</span></font><font color=red><span
style='color:red'> <a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>www.ho-image.com</span></font></a> </span></font></p>
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color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
archives Visit: </span></font><font color=red><span style='color:red'><a
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tree Fitzpatrick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 20, 2006
10:45 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: YNT: Opening Space in
some different ways</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Harrison
wrote (maybe these are Mizra's words coming to us through Harrison?):<br>
<br>
"What do we want to show and what do we actually show?"<br>
<br>
Tree responds:<br>
<br>
When I read this statement in HO's email, I expected a completely AND TOTALLY
different discussion. I thought Harrison was going to talk about how in
life (or open space) we can all do our best to communicate whatever it is we
want to communicate but as soon as our words leave us and other people hear
and/or read our words, we lose all control over how they will be understood
because every single human being has their own unique set of filters.
Still, even though Harrison's email with Mizra's dialogue (how do all you
people get so fluent in writing English when it is not your second
language? I am so humbled by all the non-English speakers on this list
who write so well in English.) focussed on the Danish cartoon phenomenon, FOR
ME, HO's email still has, for me, the meaning I first gave it. For me,
the message is that it is very important to be clear within ourselves about
what message we are trying to communicate. . . but it is also very important to
always remember that we cannot control how others will perceive or understand
our message.<br>
<br>
Then Filiz wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I do not feel comfortable with any text that<br>
condemns a whole group (muslims in this case) with a certain behavior and <br>
puts everyone in the same box...</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Tree responds:<br>
<br>
The text Filiz is commenting on did not, in my perception, condemn
anyone. I read it, I think, as a parable that laid out some ways to think
about the Danish cartoons phenomenon. I read it as an invitation to
think. My 'reaction' to Mizra's dialogue is no more or no less valid
than, for example, Filiz's.<br>
<br>
Then Funda wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>i am not comfortable with boxes at all and those who
see each other through boxes.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tree responds:<br>
<br>
I do not think I know anyone who is so evolved that they have no preconceived
filters that they use as they interact with other human beings. We
all carry filters. Maybe a newborn infant has no preconceived
cultural filters (we could call such filters boxes). <br>
<br>
Now I am sitting here with an inquiry of my own: what was HO trying to
show us? And what did he show us?</span></font></p>
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