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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Sorry about the virus – all my email
is scanned – but---??? And your conversation with Arny is fascinating. I
have known of his work for years and a number of close friends have been very
much involved, all of whom, not incidentally, are also using Open Space. One in
particular, Anne Stadler, might have a lot of insightyou’re your conversation.
My question always when it comes to combining Open Space with whatever is –
what’s the advantage? And my experience has been that much, if not all,
of the sorts of things that are elicited by approaches like Appreciative
Inquiry, Future Search, Dialogue, Community Building (a la Scott Peck) etc –
appear naturally and without prompting in Open Space. There may be differences
in pacing and immediate levels of intensity, but that over all, and at the end
of the day. . . it all hangs out in Open Space. And – I don‘t think
it has much to do with Open Space being a superior approach, because as an
approach there is hardly anything there (which may be the point). The operative
power (as I see it) is the power of self organization, and I am therefore led
to the conclusion that what you see in Open Space is the well functioning
self-organizing system – which in turn is naturally productive of an
appreciative approach, dialogue, and real community. So why fix it if it ain’t
broke? Or as I’ve said on occasion to my friend Marv Weisbord (Future
Search) – Marv, I think you are working too hard.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Open Space Training</span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Phelim McDermott<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 12, 2006
8:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Keepin' Busy</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers Harrison, </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dont know why but with other people if i just press
reply it goes to the oslist but with you it goes to your personal email so i
have to remember to change it. However i've noticed from other list
communication your email has a CHAOS VIRUS attached to it! </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for support. I would love to send your
comments on to the group if that's ok. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>If people want to inspect the proceedings in more
detail they are at the improbable website. On </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now look what happens when you open space.....
Just got an email back from Arny Mindell. re the open space event here... </span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#FF081E'>Dear
Phelim, this is superb! Thank you; thank you.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#FF081E'>At some
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#FF081E'>we adore
you and are so happy to know you and your great work, love you amy</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>here's my reply to him...</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes yes yes we MUST HAVE that conversation its
very important....</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>OPEN SPACE is amazing amazing amazing..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>creates massive fluidity of identity and rank
and creativity creativity creativity and community for free.. never had such a
hit like this since worldwork... amazing feedback from people saying they've
never felt so part of a community.. We had a couple of theatre critics in there
who said they'd never had conversations with theatre people like they had over
the weekend and they sat in groups about "how would it be if we killed
them!!"</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think they might be parallel worlds that could learn
from each other (sisters maybe) but my guess is trying to mix them up too much
might weaken the flavour of the different soups. Lots of moments in open space
that are the beginnings of worldwork processes but trying to do a process by
leading it into worldwork might really be odd as the whole thing is about giving
up control and trusting the tao of the group. it seems to support people in
really believing in their impulses as "The law of two feet"
means you really have to take responsibilty for your learning and awareness. A
room full of participant facilitators and leaders creating new forms. Very
moving. As a facilitator the learning is about doing nothing and letting nature
take its course and nature just does it....</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>HOWEVER I couldn't have held the space and
facilitated like i did if i hadn't been facilitating a
regular weekly worldwork/theatre forum called "COOKING
CHAOS"... for the last three months teaching worldwork skills to actors
and running a group process. the metaskill of detachment and openness to
diversity and ability to hold tension and different weather systems is
essential to keeping the space open. It's so much about not doing with total
presence. Open space really creates deep democracy... tangible in
the air. Extraordinary flat ..level.. landscape of energy lines, were visible
between the people. I'm Interacting with people very differently
afterwards very congruent with subtle impulses connects you to your path of
heart. feel like change is possible and simultaneously feel less personally
responsible. Less attached to outcomes but outcomes from weekend feel like they
will happen without pushing. Someone said that with all the emails and people
calling us Improbable must feel swamped with responsibility to look after
things and it feels like THE OPPOSITE it feels shared. I feel like part of a
natural organism like a termite colony that could build a beautiful cathedral
just by being who we are. My work is doing me and i feel like myself. I'm more
assertive and less pushy. Low level depression of theatre community had lifted
from the group, after two days. Open space lets the structures fall away as you
embrace chaos and transformation is possible. New structures created out of
love and connection. I've never seen people doing real work and writing and
deep discussion so free of their inner critics. FANTASTIC. and afterwards
people ask me how it went and i've never felt so free to SAY how well it
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Maybe two days open space then two days worldwork or
other way round but i think Harrison is absolutely right that interrupting the
opened space with something else would be a disaster. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Some of the break out groups who'd been doing cooking
chaos with me had sub groups using worldwork techniques and that's good i
think. but it was seasoning in the soup that happened within the whole
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#144209"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#144209'>"I
felt that. And was aware of it...felt like there was learning and
change</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#144209"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#144209'>there to be
had a couple of times, but the 'normal' nature of the polite</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#144209"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#144209'>interaction
didn't quite go for it..."</span></font></p>
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</blockquote>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think it's about time... </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>They can learn from each other by doing them both I
think.... the connections are already there. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WORLDWORK AND OPEN SPACE
LEARN FROM THEATRE AND IMPRO? !</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>just kidding!</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>and thanks Harrison and all others involved in
developing OST for the gift. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Love and respect to you all..</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Phelim</span></font></p>
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