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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't have a clue who said what to whom -- but what I do
know is that when you open some space -- folks get to work. <BR>The rest
of it is kind of immaterial. (T-1, T-17 --).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>ho</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD
20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=karen@luminacoaching.com href="mailto:karen@luminacoaching.com">Karen
Sella</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: An OS "critique" and
response</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I would too! Although I realize that many folks consider
2t to be<BR>flourishing in their circles, as I recently wrote to a friend:
<BR><BR>"Right now, it often seems that "second-tier" is merely a seed that
may<BR>or may not have the conditions for existence, but it's a seed
worth<BR>planting and cultivating as best we can until more favorable
conditions<BR>exist. What we learn through each attempt to grow this
little seed<BR>helps us create those necessary conditions for its
eventual<BR>thriving...makes me think of trees...how they often sprout up
regardless<BR>of whether or not we're tending, but tending can contribute so
much to<BR>their growth..." <BR><BR>That said, my intention isn't to
cultivate 2t but rather to pay<BR>attention to the most meaningful, inspired
intentions folks have for<BR>themselves and offer whatever methods and
resources I can to assist<BR>folks in realizing these... I figure that if
folks are leading<BR>meaningful, authentic lives, 2t will pretty much take
care of itself... <BR><BR>Regarding 2t methods as perceived within the
integral/sdi community,<BR>aside from meditation, Big Mind, and various
methods emphasizing<BR>(trans)personal development, there seems to be a real
dearth of "2t"<BR>methods either espoused or practiced within the integral/SDi
community,<BR>and many folks are hungering for practical applications, which
is why I<BR>introduced Open Space in the first place, since I happen to think
that<BR>OS is founded on 2t principles even if the folks in attendance may
not<BR>always have the capacity to realize or recognize 2t...
<BR><BR>Of course, I haven't attended any of the workshops offered by
Integral<BR>Institute (<A
href="http://www.integralinstitute.org">www.integralinstitute.org</A>), and
haven't been following the<BR>Integral Naked (<A
href="http://www.integralnaked.org">www.integralnaked.org</A>) conversations
either, so it's<BR>possible that there are existing methods that are perceived
as 2t, or<BR>methods in development of which I am unaware. <BR><BR>If I
learn of any, I'll pass these along...and likewise, please if you<BR>or anyone
is aware of any, I'd be interested to learn about these. <BR><BR>Warm
regards,<BR>Karen<BR><BR><BR><BR>Karen Sella<BR><A
href="http://www.luminacoaching.com">www.luminacoaching.com</A><BR>206.780.2998<BR><BR>
<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim<BR>Weidman<BR>Sent:
Friday, August 26, 2005 9:57 PM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>Subject:
Re: An OS "critique" and response<BR><BR>i would love to know what group
methods these int/sd community members <BR>consider 2t<BR><BR>On Aug 26, 2005,
at 5:55 PM, Karen Sella wrote:<BR><BR>> Brilliant, Peggy! <BR>> <BR>>
Thank you for taking the time to respond so generously and graciously <BR>>
to Steve Banks. I completely agree with you. <BR>> <BR>> For some time,
I have offered the perspective that OS is <BR>> "2nd-tier"---the principles
of OS transcending and including all the <BR>> potential 1st-tier
interactions---to others in the Integral/SDi <BR>> community who share this
misconception that OS is a "green" method. <BR>> I have also introduced
several "Integral/SDi" folks to Open Space as <BR>> a practical method
congruent with 2nd-tier thinking that allows people<BR><BR>> to more
readily embody/enact 2nd-tier, even convening a few Open Space<BR><BR>>
events on their behalf, and I'm happy to say that some folks seem to <BR>>
"get it," even though there are still others who maintain that OS is <BR>>
"green." <BR>> <BR>> One theory I have about this misconception in the
realm of integral is<BR><BR>> that most of the folks within the
Integral/SDi communities who <BR>> maintain that OS is "green" have either
not experience Open Space or <BR>> they have experienced Open Space where
the center of gravity of the <BR>> group in the room is green and the
"integral" folks in the room are <BR>> confusing the state/stage of the
people in the room with the method. <BR>> i.e. the fact that folks may be
primarily embodying green during an <BR>> Open Space event does not mean
that the Open Space method is green, <BR>> just like "Spiral Wizards"
tailoring their interactions for the <BR>> predominately green
consciousness of an audience, does not mean that <BR>> they, the Spiral
Wizards, are operating from green consciousness. <BR>> <BR>> In any
case, suffice it to say that I really appreciate reading your <BR>>
wonderfully articulated and educated written response.<BR>> <BR>> Warm
regards,<BR>> Karen<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Karen Sella<BR>> <A
href="http://www.luminacoaching.com">www.luminacoaching.com</A><BR>>
206.780.2998<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of <BR>> Peggy
Holman<BR>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response<BR>> <BR>> Hhmmmm, I notice
the attachments aren't attached. Here are links <BR>> instead:<BR>>
<BR>> From Steve Banks: <BR>> <A
href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.doc">http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.doc</A><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> My response: <A
href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc">http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc</A><BR>>
<BR>> still sunny in Seattle,<BR>> Peggy<BR>> <BR>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>> From: Peggy Holman<BR>>> To: <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>>>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:00 PM<BR>>> Subject: [OSLIST] An OS
"critique" and response<BR>>> <BR>>> My friend, Tom Atlee, sent me
the attached doc, From Open <BR>>> Space...egral Space.doc, by Steve
Banks. It struck me as so <BR>>> misinformed and error filled that I
responded with Integral Open <BR>>> Space.doc. <BR>>> <BR>>>
Thought you might find both the impressions of a neophyte and my <BR>>>
response of interest.<BR>>> <BR>>> from sunny Seattle,<BR>>>
Peggy<BR>>> <BR>>>
________________________________<BR>>> Peggy
Holman<BR>>> The Open Circle Company<BR>>> 15347 SE
49th Place<BR>>> Bellevue, WA 98006<BR>>> (425)
746-6274<BR>>> <BR>>> <A
href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com">www.opencirclecompany.com</A><BR>>>
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