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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#006633 size=3><STRONG>Time for signing up!!! A new OS event will take place in Budapest from October 28-30th. </STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<CENTER><FONT color=#ff3300>BeComing InterActive<BR>Structures, values & flow of life in organizations & communities</FONT></CENTER>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"></B><BR><BR><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1">In our three-day gathering from 2 pm on Friday, October 28 through 1 pm on Sunday, October 30, 2005, we will explore and gain insight on living and thriving in interactive organisations and communities. We will experience the possibilities of learning constantly and how to simultaneously play and work productively. <BR><BR>The term </FONT><B>"InterActive organization and community" </B><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1">may sound strange to many of us. But in fact, all organizations already are InterActive, or in other words: self-organizing. During the meeting we will explore these strange shores. We will look at the reality in our organizations and communities as complex adaptive systems and how to sustain these vital processes. <BR><BR>Open Space Technology will enable us to create
our Agenda spontaneously together around "BeComing InterActive". Open Space Technology is a self organizing process originally designed by Harrison Owen which allows organizations, groups and communities to gather around issues that matter to them, with high levels of dialogue, passion and commitment to action. More information on Open Space worldwide at www.openspaceworld.org.<BR><BR></FONT><B>Who will join?</B><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1"> <BR><BR>Anyone who wants to:<BR></FONT></P>
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<LI>Create new opportunities for collaboration <BR><BR>...is welcome to join us in Budapest, October 28 - 30, 2005 in OPEN SPACE. <BR><BR><B>Venue:</B><BR>International Business School, Tárogató u. 2 - 4, 1021 Budapest, Hungary (www.ibsgardenhotel.hu)<BR><BR><B>Fees:</B><BR>Participation fee is 150 Euro, not including the cost of accommodation which is ca 40 Euro/night at the hotel of the International Business School where you can reserve a room on a special price, referring to the OS event. <BR><BR>Deadline for registration and transferring the registration fee is September 1st<BR><BR>Please transfer your registraton fee to the following account, referring to "Becoming InterActive"" (please give the name of <B>Beck György</B> as transferee to avoid banking problems.)<BR>Account Nr. 1091 8001 0000 0010 8447 0022 <BR>Name of Bank:HVB Bank Hungary <BR>IBAN is: HU09 1091 8001 0000 0010
8447 0022<BR>BIG Code is: BACX HUHB<BR>Your registration is complete when your fee arrives to the account . <BR>If you can not afford the participation fee, please contact us to help you. <BR>For further information contact Bea Kisszölösi (+36 20 3838 199; beahun@hotmail.com) or Juliane Ade ( +49 30 747 39 622; julianeade@boscop.de).<BR><BR><B>Your hosts,</B><BR><BR>Juliane Ade, György Beck, Séverine Deboos, Bea Kisszölöszi, Michael M Pannwitz, Jo Töpfer<BR><BR>"Open Space, eliminates the spirit of inferiority. The playing field is leveled. We're all equal. Each of us are learning, one from another. With Open Space, there are no ideas that remain hidden or unspoken. Everything emerges. I can't imagine that there could be a better method for enabling a group to discover its potential." (John Engle, Open Space facilitator)</LI></SPAN>
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>From Wed Aug 17 10:09:59 2005
Message-Id: <WED.17.AUG.2005.100959.0400.>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:09:59 -0400
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From: Jim <jim9654@altelco.net>
Organization: Metcalf+Gloeden Household
Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine
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Paul,
I'm glad that you are on this list. I love to disagree with you. Often
cannot. Happy enough when I can - you are very stimulating, and call up
truth that is frequently forgotten, must be remembered. Whether I agree
with you entirely or not on a particular day, I hope you are long on
this list, and long in this world. I'm richer for your postings.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
EVERETT813@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:33 PM
To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Open Space - a minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine
In a message dated 8/16/05 10:48:26 AM, duff@innergy.ca writes:
Paul,
I'm a little concerned about the attacking voice of this posting.
Especially from one that appears to be a voice that is listened to on
this list.
Yes, it was probably too forceful. Certainly not meant as attack. But
was construed as such by at least yourself. As for being listened to,
well, that's not my impression, believe me. I often feel like a voice
completely out of sync with most on this list.
...............
And a final consideration:
We are now facing overwhelming overpopulation on a worldwide scale, with
the population continuing to grow at an alarming (and increasing) rate.
Much of this is due to the decline in mortality rates. While i am very
affected by human suffering and death, i must question whether it is
actually a boon to humankind to have such runaway growth. Certainly in
animal populations such unchecked growth results in decline and
sometimes extinction of a species as the resources it relies on
disappear.
I'm not stating hard opinions but rather raising questions to consider.
In fact, i wouldn't be alive myself without modern medicine as i was the
2nd Rh+ child of an Rh- mother and would have died without a
transfusion.
duff
I believe you are stating opinions, and one of them is that there are
too many people around. I used to believe that but no longer do. For
complex philosophical and practical reasons I won't deal with here on
list. Suffice it to say that the animal populations do not have
thinking/reasoning brains to deal with their overpopulation, so the
analogy fails. The UN is busily reducing it's projections of population
growth because 'things are changing'. At least so a news item I read
recently said.
I appreciate the references and will read them in the future. I am
however doubtful that man has done very little to increase life and its
abundance. There were people who survived the Plague, who survived
polio, etc., but many did not. I guess I come down on the side of those
who would have died without the polio vaccine, etc. But, don't fear,
maybe Ebola, or some other equally deadly disease, will solve the
"problem" of too many people. I sincerely hope medical science helps me
not be part of the solution. (btw, I've had three laser surgeries on my
very myopic eyes and would likely be blind now and unable to read this
list, so I'm for medicine.)
Sincerely,
Paul
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Bodoni MT"><span =
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font-family:"Bodoni MT"'>I’m glad that you are on this list. I =
love to
disagree with you. Often cannot. Happy enough when I can – you are =
very
stimulating, and call up truth that is frequently forgotten, must be
remembered. Whether I agree with you entirely or not on a particular =
day, I
hope you are long on this <span class=3DGramE>list,</span> and long in =
this
world. I’m richer for your postings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span =
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Behalf Of </span></b>EVERETT813@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 16, =
2005
11:33 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Open Space - =
a
minimum? - efficacy of modern medicine</span></font></p>
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In a message dated 8/16/05 10:48:26 AM, duff@innergy.ca writes:<br>
<br>
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face=3DGeneva FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Paul,<br>
<br>
I'm a little concerned about the attacking voice of this posting. =
Especially
from one that appears to be a voice that is listened to on this =
list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>Yes, it was probably too =
forceful.
Certainly not meant as attack. But was construed as such by at =
least
yourself. As for being listened to, well, that's not my =
impression,
believe me. I often feel like a voice completely out of sync with =
most on
this list.<br>
...............<br>
</span></i><br>
And a final consideration:<br>
<i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'><br>
</span></i>We are now facing overwhelming overpopulation on a worldwide =
scale,
with the population continuing to grow at an alarming (and increasing) =
rate.
Much of this is due to the decline in mortality rates. While i am very =
affected
by human suffering and death, i must question whether it is actually a =
boon to
humankind to have such runaway growth. Certainly in animal populations =
such
unchecked growth results in decline and sometimes extinction of a =
species as
the resources it relies on disappear.<br>
<br>
I'm not stating hard opinions but rather raising questions to consider. =
In
fact, i wouldn't be alive myself without modern medicine as i was the =
2nd Rh+
child of an Rh- mother and would have died without a transfusion.<br
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
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<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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duff<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>I believe you are stating opinions, =
and one
of them is that there are too many people around. I used to =
believe that
but no longer do. For complex philosophical and practical reasons =
I won't
deal with here on list. Suffice it to say that the animal populations do =
not
have thinking/reasoning brains to deal with their overpopulation, so the
analogy fails. The UN is busily reducing it's projections of =
population
growth because 'things are changing'. At least so a news item I =
read
recently said. <br>
<br>
I appreciate the references and will read them in the future. I am
however doubtful that man has done very little to increase life and its
abundance. There were people who survived the Plague, who survived =
polio,
etc., but many did not. I guess I come down on the side of those =
who
would have died without the polio vaccine, etc. But, don't fear, =
maybe
Ebola, or some other equally deadly disease, will solve the =
"problem"
of too many people. I sincerely hope medical science helps me not =
be part
of the solution. (btw, I've had three laser surgeries on my very =
myopic
eyes and would likely be blind now and unable to read this list, so I'm =
for
medicine.)<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Paul</span></i><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
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