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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>According to me; the impact of OST can change the
world reality or be just a dream (like a drug through which you discover yr
power, get inspired</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but get back to reality soon)...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can freedom, inspiration, conversation,
collaboration created there sustain? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We don't know...it depends on many
things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Take OSList, OSCommunity...people who say that
they want to make their lives OS; OST has been around the world
for </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>20 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The subject the participants were excited about
before the last OSonOS was "whale watching".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Most people i hear there live in the so called
developed part of the world.....why other voices are not coming from all around
the world,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(who have been spending their lives to catch up the
developed part, getting the technology; learning english -at
least-)?..considering that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OST has been around for 20 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can say ...as Michael says..." i am a
facilitator there, not a participant. It's their problem, not mine. I don't even
understand it"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK i still respect your efforts, your support, the
space given, the fact that you're here to listen..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But if we can not do some more effort to include
the rest of the world, then OST is only a drug with having a strong impact
for a short time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's still good and fun.</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Funda</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hhowen@comcast.net href="mailto:hhowen@comcast.net">Harrison Owen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE..EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 15, 2005 11:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Open Space - a
minimum?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Filiz -- I don't know that you read what you quoted in
my book, "The Practice of Peace," but you could have, 'cause I said it. And
Paul -- the fact that medicine (and even more so Public Health) does some
good, (and it does) I don't think changes things that much. Some
years ago I was at the National Institutes of Health with basic responsibility
for patient, public, and professional education in the area of heart lung and
blood diseases. That in itself does not make me a medical expert, for sure --
but it was a generally accepted "fact" at the Institutes and in the world of
Public Health that just about 95% of all disease is self-limiting -- which
means you will either get better or die, but that in any case medicine won't
help that much. In the remaining 5% of the cases medical practice and public
health does help -- but the way they help is instructive, I think. They
assist the body until such time as it can take over -- and the actual healing
process, if healing does occur, is a function of the body. The basic
issue is that as much as we may know about the body, its complex
interconnections vastly exceed our feeble understanding. And even when we have
it right in general, each individual is unique. It is the old problem of
putting Humpty Dumpty together again -- which as you will remember -- neither
all the King's Horses nor all the King's men could pull it off. And I don't
think we are in much better shape. But healing does occur, more often
than not, and the hero is our old friend self-organization, or so it seems. It
is a dictum among many physicians that he/she who practices best, practices
least. Minimal intervention. Do as little as possible, and just enough to get
the old body kick started. Anything more only invites massive doses of
unintended consequences which often have lethal consequences. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In writing what I did, my intent was not to provide
information about medical and public health practice, which is obviously
beyond my competence. My purpose was to use the physical body as a metaphor
for the body politic -- and make the same point: He/she who practices least,
practices best. Otherwise known as thinking of one more thing not to do. I
believe this has been our experience in Open Space and I was suggesting that
the same approach (minimalism) works well in the larger open space of our
lives. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Harrison</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac,
MD 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=EVERETT813@aol.com
href="mailto:EVERETT813@aol.com">EVERETT813@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE...EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 15, 2005 1:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Open Space - a
minimum?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>In a message dated 8/15/05 9:03:24 AM, <A
href="mailto:filiztelek@yahoo.com">filiztelek@yahoo.com</A>
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I once read somewhere that body does the most of the
healing process itself...all those medicine we take has just such a little
role to activate certain actions, chemicals, interactions to happen in the
body. but eventually the body heals itself...what a fascinating
thought!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Filiz:<BR><BR>Well, you haven't lived when there
were none of those drugs and the body didn't heal itself. You never
had to not go swimming in the summer because of the wild polio virus living
in the water could make you sick or kill you or paralyze you for life.
An iron lung is no place to live. Leg braces are no fun. Joelle
experienced that. <BR><BR>You never saw a child die from coughing
(Whooping cough) or from a staph or strep infection that ran wild in the
body which wasn't healing itself. Before simple forms of cleanliness,
ONE THIRD of all women who delivered babies in the hospitals of the time
died of "childbirth fever". Think about that FACT.
<BR><BR>People forget really fast that we are healthy because of those drugs
and practices that have saved millions of lives and allowed people to remain
healthy. <BR><BR>That's one of my 'hot buttons', the idea that modern
medicine doesn't prevent disease, that the body does all the healing,
etc. It's all baloney. Life is immeasureably better now because
of vaccinations, immunizations, drugs, etc. Immeasureably better here
where we are safe from the malarial mosquito but we refuse to allow the rest
of the impoverished world to use a marvelous mosquito killer called
DDT. We think it is better for people to die, or be horribly sick,
than to use, effectively and carefully, a chemical that has been proven to
work very, very well. It has side issues, but compared to human life,
they are side issues. Silent Spring was a cannon blasting a brush
covered machine gun nest, total overkill that has negatively affected the
lives of tens of millions of people.<BR><BR>Now, I'm almost off my soap
box.<BR><BR>Be well and be thankful for medical
science.<BR><BR>Paul</FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2
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