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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sounds like this could be a case for "Fire the
Client."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>ho</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Andrew.Rixon@csiro.au href="mailto:Andrew.Rixon@csiro.au">Andrew
Rixon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> OS birthing pains</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear All,<BR> <BR>It's so refreshing to see Brian B and
Chris talk about how organisations can become more of an OS organisation... on
the other side of the coin I have a story to tell of the trouble to even use
the OS in a 'strategic planning' meeting.<BR> <BR>To start with, I guess
it's never good when you are told 'you are the facilitator' for a meeting
which you have only just found out about, AND the high level executive has
already decided on a "very draft" agenda. When I say I that OS is a powerful
approach for this kind of meeting (I won't go into the details of the
organisation and their need at the moment for an OS approach..thats a whole
other story), the executive seems warey of me asks me "can I be sure I will
get the outcomes I need?" ... *case closed* ??<BR> <BR>So this
experience, embryonic as it is, made me wonder what other stories are out
there for the times when you said "NO" to being or providing an OS event? (In
this case, maybe its more that OS just can't live and grow here to begin
with....)<BR> <BR>Looking forward to hearing from you.<BR> <BR>Warm
regards,<BR>Andrew<BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: OSLIST on
behalf of Pannwitz, Michael M <BR>Sent: Tue 19/07/2005 4:08 PM <BR>To: <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<BR>Cc: <BR>Subject: Re: Question re: size<BR><BR><BR><BR>Dear Diana, dear
Ellen,<BR>irrespective of your overall design or the facilitation,<BR>size is
no problem...<BR>People have done anything from 5, 9. 100. 400, 650, 1800 and
2108,<BR>me, too.<BR>People that are passionate about an issue and want to act
on it will<BR>overcome any hurdle.<BR>You need plenty of space in the center
for people to come to and jot<BR>down their issues<BR>and you need plenty of
wallspace so that everyone can go there at the<BR>same time during
marketplace.<BR>The chairs are set up in concentric circles, as many as you
need....I<BR>make sure that people can easily reach the center<BR>and can walk
between the concentric circles (spacing).<BR>For pictures of the 2108 (without
chairs,people sitting on pillows,<BR>but chairs would do just as well)<BR>go
to<BR><A
href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=69">http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=69</A><BR>scroll
down to<BR>Nr.99<BR>click on the lower of the two pictures and you will
see<BR>a series of 92 pictures with German and English titles taking
you<BR>through all the stages, including setting up the
space.<BR><BR>Greetings from Berlin<BR>mmp<BR><BR><BR>On Mon, 18 Jul 2005
17:17:43 -0700, Diana Larsen wrote:<BR><BR>>I am forwarding the following
message to the list as Ellen seems to be<BR>>experiencing a challenge with
getting subscribed. I've copied Ellen on<BR>>this message, if you have a
response, please include her as well as the<BR>>rest of the
list.<BR>><BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Diana<BR>><BR>>Diana
Larsen<BR>>http://futureworksconsulting.com
503-288-3550<BR>><BR>><BR>>> From: "Ellen Gottesdiener" <<A
href="mailto:ellen@ebgconsulting.com">ellen@ebgconsulting.com</A>><BR>>>
Date: July 18, 2005 5:05:38 PM PDT<BR>>> To: "Diana Larsen" <<A
href="mailto:dlarsen@futureworksconsulting.com">dlarsen@futureworksconsulting.com</A>><BR>>>
Subject: FW: question re: size<BR>>> <BR>>> Hello all:<BR>>>
Maybe you can help me with..well, an issue of size!<BR>>> <BR>>> I
am facilitating an Open Space Marketplace in about a week which is<BR>>>
going to be integrated into a traditional conference schedule
(meaning<BR>>> there are scheduled classes and short tutorials). FYI, it
is Agile<BR>>> 2005 (<A
href="http://www.agile2005.com">www.agile2005.com</A> and our info on Open
Space is on this page:<BR>>> <A
href="http://www.agile2005.com/track/openspace/cfp">http://www.agile2005.com/track/openspace/cfp</A>
).<BR>>> <BR>>> This will be the third year we are integrating OST
into a traditional<BR>>> conference in this manner. As in prior years,
we will have conveners<BR>>> schedule their sessions as they wish over 3
(of the 4) days of the<BR>>> conference. Some time slots will be
concurrent with existing classes<BR>>> or short tutorials, and some will
be in time slots that donºt compete<BR>>> with other sessions.
<BR>>> <BR>>> While this is not the usual way to do Open Space, it
worked pretty<BR>>> well, especially the first year when we had most
people attend the<BR>>> Market Place and used chairs in concentric
circles. (Last yearºs<BR>>> facilitator used a different physical setup
that wasnºt so inviting<BR>>> and was more forceful in his facilitation
style ¡ he drove the<BR>>> sessions, rather then let the group freely
determine topics).<BR>>> <BR>>> I plan to facilitate the
Marketplace like the first year, but now my<BR>>> problem is now is:
SIZE.<BR>>> <BR>>> The conference has grown from 200 the first
year to over 300 or so<BR>>> last year; I just learned they expect to
have 600 to 650 attendees! I<BR>>> have a ballroom for the Marketplace,
which we had originally planned<BR>>> to set up in concentric circles
with 350 chairs (with aisles).<BR>>> <BR>>> The question is: how
to do the physical set up of the room?<BR>>> <BR>>> The ballroom
*might* (we are checking) accommodate 500 chairs in<BR>>> concentric
circles which I imagine would be rather deep (e.g. 4, 5 or<BR>>> 6
circles deep). Would this be un-inviting? (Weºd have aisles, but<BR>>>
would be feel reluctant to come forward with so deep of layout?).
Is<BR>>> it important to provide as many chairs as possible and also
retain the<BR>>> circle/mandala shape?<BR>>> <BR>>>
Alternatively, we could set up the 350 chairs and ask additional<BR>>>
attendees to stand. (We will probably get more than 350 for the<BR>>>
Marketplace..there is no other scheduled activities during this
time<BR>>> slot and it follows the Opening Session and Keynote).
However, the<BR>>> experience with having people stand for over 30
minutes is that people<BR>>> complain ¡ such was the experience of my
friend and colleague, Diana<BR>>> Larsen (who contributes to this
list).<BR>>> <BR>>> Suggestions or recommendations??<BR>>>
<BR>>> Many thanks,<BR>>> ~~ ellen <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>>> Ellen
Gottesdiener, CPF (Certified Professional Facilitator)<BR>>> Principal
Consultant, EBG Consulting, Inc.<BR>>> 1424 Ironwood Drive West, Carmel,
IN. 46033.8722<BR>>> V: 317.844.3747 F: 317.844.7374
C: 317.507.7374<BR>>> ~ Positive and productive collaboration toward
shared goals ~<BR>>> <BR>>> ~~ Author:<BR>>> - Requirements
by Collaboration:Workshops for Defining Needs<BR>>> - Scenarios,
Stories, Use Cases Through the Systems Development<BR>>> Life-Cycle
(contributing author)<BR>>> - Software Requirements Memory Jogger
(forthcoming, fall, 2005) ~~<BR>>> ~~ For latest news, publications,
useful links and course info, please<BR>>> visit: <A
href="http://www.ebgconsulting.com">http://www.ebgconsulting.com</A>
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week's oxymoronica:<BR>>> Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
finding it everywhere,<BR>>> diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the
wrong remedies.<BR>>> ~~ Groucho Marx<BR>>>
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