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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Funda-</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How can you say that the
leaders of the G8 (or your leaders) are not wise? They wouldn't be in the
positions they are in if they were not wise. That isn't to say that they
make no mistakes. They are human. I am 'beyond baffled' at your
shallow comment.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Interesting… this implicit
definition of “wisdom”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I can’t give this
definition, but about wisdom I think Nelson Mandela gets closer than George
Bush or Tony Blair for instance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>But no doubt they take a big responsibility
on their shoulders, but getting elected is not the same as wisdom.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Is wisdom personal? There is a lot
of wisdom in this list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Van:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Namens
</span></b>EJE Spady<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Verzonden:</span></b> zondag 10 juli 2005
23:33<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Aan:</span></b>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Onderwerp:</span></b> Re: [OSLIST] London
calling--long reply</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Funda-</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How can you say that the leaders of the G8
(or your leaders) are not wise? They wouldn't be in the positions they
are in if they were not wise. That isn't to say that they make no
mistakes. They are human. I am 'beyond baffled' at your shallow
comment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Also, remember that Fahrenheit 9/11 is a
Hollywood flick. Hardly factual...and Michael Moore isn't exactly, a
leader. He makes the big bucks because people like yourself buy into his <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>irrational philosophies</span></font></i></em>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As for your last comment, I guess you are
trying to say that the "men in power" (the G8 leaders and your own)
are the ones responsible for the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Spain and now
London...............what the???????? You are entitled to your own
thoughts/beliefs but they are about as far from reality as any I have ever
heard!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Keep smokin'.............</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Funda Oral<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 09, 2005 3:06
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: London calling--long
reply</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Paul,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ok, i agree we can discuss the truths and rules
imposed on us by all the religions. I often think that they make us sick,
they separate us,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>they encourage us being enemy of each
other rather then brothers. Or maybe, not the religions but the leaders
do so.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jon,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thank you for keeping us informed and sharing with us
what is happening in London but I am very doubtful that your (G8) leaders are
wise</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>as mentioned in your mail. Our leaders are
not wise either.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>But even worse, i am afraid they cooperate
more to be in power rather then for the benefit of all the human
beings and the world.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Did anyone watch Fahrenheit 9/11?....What i saw
there was; some men in power (religious, business leaders) from all
the religions </span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>coming together to play with the rest of the world.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If we look around carefully to find who is
responsible of what is happening, I don't think the answer is
"a bunch of terrorists" </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Funda</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:EVERETT813@aol.com" title="EVERETT813@aol.com">EVERETT813@aol.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE..EDU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday,
July 09, 2005 9:37 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: London
calling--long reply<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva'><br>
In a message dated 7/8/05 11:10:06 PM, <a href="mailto:chris.corrigan@gmail.com">chris.corrigan@gmail.com</a>
writes:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva'>I don't usually weigh in on stuff
like this, and I'm sure others will tan your hide for it, but Paul, I have to
stand in front of the rash generalizations you are making about
"Muslims."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Sorry, Chris, I don't regard those as "rash generalizations",
Friedman is correct, NO high order Muslim from any Muslim nation has issued a
fatwa on bin Laden and his followers. By that I mean someone of the
stature that issued the fatwa against Salman Rushdie for publishing a book they
deemed defamed Muhammad. The Muslim Islamic cleric leader of Iran.
<br>
<br>
And, of course, you are correct. There are millions of Muslims who abhor
what is happening. They want peace, too. They want a life of
freedom, economic security, etc., why else would they leave their repressive
homelands to come to the Western nations? Friedman's point (and mine) is
unless IMPORTANT people of the leadership of Muslim nations start to speak out
in loud, consistent tones that such is not part of the Koran (Ch. 5, v. 32; ch.
17, v. 33 according to an Immam I heard on the news tonight) <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>and their societies begin to isolate and negate these
people,</span></i> we are in for a very bad time, indeed.<br>
<br>
You may be enlightened, but I will predict that if this goes on, and gets
worse, large numbers of people will not be acting in an enlightened manner.
We all know about the 'tipping point'. It happens in societies, too.
It CAN happen here. Imagine the reaction of even a very large minority to a WMD
incident in a major Western nation. It won't be pretty.<br>
<br>
Finally, there is much that can be done to avoid Huntington's Thesis, but it
takes a long time, a long time, and will take something along the line of
Martin Luther's 95 Theses within Islam before we will see a genuine
rapproachment between the globalizing West and the Islamic world. I
believe we need to see the world as it is, not as we wish it was, and take
steps accordingly.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Paul Everett<br>
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