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<DIV><SPAN class=366573223-10072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
completely agree that there have definitely been much wiser people than
Bush/Blair; however, I think it's 'un-wise' to sit at home and critique and
judge those in <U>power</U> without remembering that we might not be so wise if
in their shoes. I didn't mean to say that simply getting elected makes one
wise....but both of these gentlemen have been elected not only once, but twice -
obviously not too stupid. My point is that they are wiser than the typical
'armchair quarterbacks' who sit in front of the TV watching Farenheit 9/11 while
judging their moves...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=366573223-10072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=366573223-10072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks
for your comments, they were much 'wiser' than some I read on
here...hehe!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Michaël-SYSt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: wisdom; was: London
calling--long reply<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><IMG class=shape
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda-</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How can you say that
the leaders of the G8 (or your leaders) are not wise? They wouldn't be
in the positions they are in if they were not wise. That isn't to say
that they make no mistakes. They are human. I am 'beyond baffled'
at your shallow comment.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Interesting... this implicit
definition of "wisdom"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I can't give this definition,
but about wisdom I think Nelson Mandela gets closer than George Bush or Tony
Blair for instance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But no doubt they take a big
responsibility on their shoulders, but getting elected is not the same as
wisdom.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Is wisdom personal? There is a
lot of wisdom in this list.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Have a good time there in
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Halifax</st1:place></st1:City>!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">________________________</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Michaël
Molenaar</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><I><FONT
face="Monotype Corsiva" color=#5a0c28 size=4><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #5a0c28; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Monotype Corsiva'">Systemisch
Consult</SPAN></FONT></I></B><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tilburg -
Holland</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A
title=mailto:michael@syst.nl href="mailto:michael@syst.nl">michael@syst.nl</A>
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Website:
</SPAN></FONT><U><FONT face=Verdana color=purple size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A
href="http://www.syst.nl">www.syst.nl</A></SPAN></FONT></U><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tel: +31 (0)13
5770070<BR>GSM +31 (0)6
51561095<BR>________________________</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"
color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Van:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Namens </SPAN></B>EJE Spady<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Verzonden:</SPAN></B> zondag 10 juli 2005
23:33<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Aan:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Onderwerp:</SPAN></B> Re: [OSLIST] London
calling--long reply</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda-</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How can you say that
the leaders of the G8 (or your leaders) are not wise? They wouldn't be
in the positions they are in if they were not wise. That isn't to say
that they make no mistakes. They are human. I am 'beyond baffled'
at your shallow comment.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, remember that
Fahrenheit 9/11 is a Hollywood flick. Hardly factual...and Michael Moore
isn't exactly, a leader. He makes the big bucks because people like
yourself buy into his <EM><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">irrational
philosophies</SPAN></FONT></I></EM>.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for your last
comment, I guess you are trying to say that the "men in power" (the G8 leaders
and your own) are the ones responsible for the terrorist attacks of 9/11,
Spain and now London...............what the???????? You are entitled to
your own thoughts/beliefs but they are about as far from reality as any I have
ever heard!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keep
smokin'.............</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Funda Oral<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, July 09, 2005 3:06
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: London calling--long
reply</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Paul,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok, i agree we can discuss
the truths and rules imposed on us by all the religions. I often think that
they make us sick, they separate us,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">they encourage us being
enemy of each other rather then brothers. Or maybe, not the religions
but the leaders do so.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for keeping us
informed and sharing with us what is happening in London but I am very
doubtful that your (G8) leaders are wise</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">as mentioned in your mail. Our
leaders are not wise either.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But even worse, i am afraid they
cooperate more to be in power rather then for the benefit of all
the human beings and the world.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did anyone watch Fahrenheit
9/11?....What i saw there was; some men in power (religious,
business leaders) from all the religions
</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">coming together to play with the
rest of the world.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we look around carefully to
find who is responsible of what is happening, I don't think the answer
is "a bunch of terrorists" </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=EVERETT813@aol.com
href="mailto:EVERETT813@aol.com">EVERETT813@aol.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE..EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:37 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva"><BR>In a message dated 7/8/05
11:10:06 PM, <A
href="mailto:chris.corrigan@gmail.com">chris.corrigan@gmail.com</A>
writes:<BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva">I
don't usually weigh in on stuff like this, and I'm sure others will tan
your hide for it, but Paul, I have to stand in front of the rash
generalizations you are making about
"Muslims."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva"><BR><BR>Sorry, Chris, I don't
regard those as "rash generalizations", Friedman is correct, NO high order
Muslim from any Muslim nation has issued a fatwa on bin Laden and his
followers. By that I mean someone of the stature that issued the
fatwa against Salman Rushdie for publishing a book they deemed defamed
Muhammad. The Muslim Islamic cleric leader of Iran.
<BR><BR>And, of course, you are correct. There are millions of
Muslims who abhor what is happening. They want peace, too.
They want a life of freedom, economic security, etc., why else would they
leave their repressive homelands to come to the Western nations?
Friedman's point (and mine) is unless IMPORTANT people of the leadership
of Muslim nations start to speak out in loud, consistent tones that such
is not part of the Koran (Ch. 5, v. 32; ch. 17, v. 33 according to an
Immam I heard on the news tonight) <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">and
their societies begin to isolate and negate these people,</SPAN></I> we
are in for a very bad time, indeed.<BR><BR>You may be enlightened, but I
will predict that if this goes on, and gets worse, large numbers of people
will not be acting in an enlightened manner. We all know about the
'tipping point'. It happens in societies, too. It CAN happen
here. Imagine the reaction of even a very large minority to a WMD incident
in a major Western nation. It won't be pretty.<BR><BR>Finally, there
is much that can be done to avoid Huntington's Thesis, but it takes a long
time, a long time, and will take something along the line of Martin
Luther's 95 Theses within Islam before we will see a genuine rapproachment
between the globalizing West and the Islamic world. I believe we
need to see the world as it is, not as we wish it was, and take steps
accordingly.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Paul
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