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<p><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:red'>Mike Wrote: </span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I have thought about this phenomenon a great deal, as I live in an org
and with the stench of dead moose all around! I think perhaps people are
comfortable with the stink as long as they can hold onto their ego, power or
control. When we as an org use less open formats for our meetings and
gatherings I sub consciously go into a naughty school boy routine. I'm expected
to sit passively and swallow what is going to happen. Perhaps, now I've sampled
the sweet aroma of open space, I am yelling "open the bloody window I
can't stand it any longer!"</span></font></p>
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which people will tolerate a state of absolute misery in the name of preserving
ego, power and control. It is often said they don’t have a choice
(mortgage, kids, etc) but we all have a choice, however we may not be prepared
to deal with the consequences of that choice. However, in a totally tragic
fashion they typically end up with consequences as bad, or worse, than the ones
they were seeking to avoid! Nasty things like burnout, substance abuse,
breakdown and the like. And it is not just about the “human side”
of all of this – but even in the area of profit and business growth you
see the same sorts of things. I sometimes think that people are positively
frightened to death that they might succeed – that they might actually
make a lot of money! We all know that when people are turned loose (some real
Open Space) the possibility space is simply mind-boggling, and yet in the name
of preservation of power and control all that possibility space is avoided –
to the ultimate detriment of the bottom line. Weird!</span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Copeland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 23, 2005
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Help for my manager,
(Crazy like a fox)</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Good on ya Michael!</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Great stuff I loved the way you put it:</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> when we look in to the usual
rhetoric, I find that lots of folks just can't defend or explain it.
often folks end up using the empty standards as if they were true.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>You have put very beautifully a phenomenon I
experience also when dealing with people about open space. : this great fear
that a new way will be ineffective while the old way is so ineffective, stale
and smelly it's a dead moose! Open space is given these huge goals that unless
they are met it is doomed and the dead moose is then dragged out, and venerated
once again. </span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I may be in a different situation from you in that I
work as a facilitator within an org. and possibly I suffer from that thing of </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>"a prophet is not without honor except in his own
home"</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Jesus Christ</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have thought about this phenomenon a great deal, as
I live in an org and with the stench of dead moose all around! I think perhaps
people are comfortable with the stink as long as they can hold onto their ego,
power or control. When we as an org use less open formats for our meetings and
gatherings I sub consciously go into a naughty school boy routine. I'm expected
to sit passively and swallow what is going to happen. Perhaps, now I've sampled
the sweet aroma of open space, I am yelling "open the bloody window I
can't stand it any longer!"</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>All the Best</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mike Copeland</span></font> </p>
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