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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think we (humans) made life toooo complex and got
now lost in the middle of artificial needs, necessities, requirements and
organizations.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>Every systems exists not for
itself but only to serve another system</FONT>...it ends when it stops serving
something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And this service can be very simple...(such as
serving our body by keeping it healthy or others by just smiling).....and then
the service is complete</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and we die...end.....<EM>(point)</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And this service whether we are conscious or not is
happening all the time...(=self organizing systems)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We exagerated life and we don't now now how to get
out of it (end, finsih, die)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Funda</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:45
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: On self-organizing</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda Wrote:
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK i agree there must
be an end....but still "how it will end" is important...elegant or not
elegant? </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I totally agree. It is
not whether or not things will end, that you will die, or that the
organizations we work for, and may have “created” – will end. Everything does.
The real question is – With what meaning? So what would you hope for? What
would be worth dying for?? I guess that is a little blunt, but I find it is a
question that puts a lot of things in perspective.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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Oral</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: On
self-organizing</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison-i am
happily reading all answers, thank you.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK i
agree there must be an end....but still "how it will end" is
important...elegant or not
elegant? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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title=hhowen@comcast.net href="mailto:hhowen@comcast.net">Harrison Owen</A>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday,
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: On
self-organizing</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda –
I would believe that answer to your question</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> (do they have to
sustain or survive???.......) </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN
style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">is no. Fact of the matter is that all
Living Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning,
tolerate the middle, and don’t want to talk about the end. And that leads to
all sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people
actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to
how people talk. It is said – So and so “passed on,” “took the big
trip,” “Passed to the other side” – But it seems that nobody ever dies. The
same is true when we talk about organizations. Somehow they are supposed to
live for ever, and when the end comes that is automatically taken as
failure. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Funda Oral<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, February 14, 2005 9:00
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OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: On
self-organizing</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">all systems are self organizing
but not all systems are living (sustaining)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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title=rcopleman@comcast.net href="mailto:rcopleman@comcast.net">Ralph
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Monday, February 14, 2005 3:39 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Times">My vote goes to:<BR><BR>All
systems are self-organizing, and...<BR><BR>There is no such thing as a
non-living system.<BR><BR><BR>Ralph Copleman<BR><BR>--
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Cochin><SPAN
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