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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Jack wrote: </span></font><font size=2
 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>Harrison</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, drawing lines is
interesting business, considering Buddhist teacher Thich Nhat Hahn's suggestion
that there is no being, only interbeing. His practice is seeing the people in
the objects and the objects in the people. When nothing exists by itself, it
contains everything else - and so the respect for every quantum wave in the
universal field.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Certainly works in Quantum Theory, and even
better, I suspect, in Humans Theory. At a very practical level as this relates
to Open Space (as in event) exclusive focus on the individuals, their words and
behaviors, can lead to mind-boggling confusion. Personally, I just can’t
think the detail and complexity. However, if you look, feel, hear the full
field perceived as flow or a dance it all starts to make sense. Further, when
you do engage individuals in their uniqueness, my experience is that the connection
is deeper and more meaningful, even if it is only fleeting – for they are
engaged in context.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Jack Ricchiuto<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 February 15, 2005</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>8:45 AM</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Harrison</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>, drawing lines is interesting business, considering Buddhist
teacher Thich Nhat Hahn's suggestion that there is no being, only interbeing.
His practice is seeing the people in the objects and the objects in the people.
When nothing exists by itself, it contains everything else - and so the respect
for every quantum wave in the universal field.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a href="http://www.designinglife.com/">www.designinglife.com</a>
/ <a href="http://www.appreciativeleadership.org/">www.appreciativeleadership.org</a>
</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>From: Harrison Owen
<hhowen@comcast.net></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Date: Tue, Feb-15-2005 </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>8:33 AM</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Subject: Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Masud -- I know the devil made me do it
-- but when I saw your words, "For</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>instance, do we give more respect to
"non-living" weapons systems or to</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>living "human systems"?"
-- I found myself answering, "Human Systems, of</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>course, at least usually -- but what
happens when the human systems are in</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>fact weapons systems? And where do you
draw the line between them anyhow?</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Harrison Owen</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>, </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Maryland</span></font><font
 size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>   </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>20845</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original Message-----</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>From: OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Masud</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sheikh</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sent: </span></font><font
 size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>Tuesday, February 15, 2005</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:black'>8:03 AM</span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Subject: Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Filiz Telek wrote:</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>Masud,</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>I guess you are referring TV as
non-living in the physical sense...well,</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>doesn't it all depend on how we
define living versus non-living? :)</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>Maybe I am taking your comment too
literally...but here are some quotes</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thank you for the quotes, Filiz. You are
right that I am talking only</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>about the physical TV set. And my comment
that "perhaps I understand" was</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>related to the sort of quotes that you
gave.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Of course, in one sense, "humans
never die". Buried or cremated, they</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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new cycle of life.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But does not there need to be a
difference bertween the way we "treat"</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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systems? For instance, do we give more</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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