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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>Judy, when i say..."why we
discuss this?"</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>...this is to say "i am
very disappointed with the world, why we can not stop wars
and </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>suffering <STRONG>as human beings</STRONG>, and go
to next chapter??.......i don't mean you or me, or people in this list,
i blame everybody in the world </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>including myself "</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with Filiz that <FONT color=#000080>
"force is force whether you impose it on innocent people or tyrannies.. And it
will only come back as force in return"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris's message saying how we can
know </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>the truth when there are so many
different perspectives. Can we do anything as OS facilitators on this list
? </FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As Harrison mentioned <FONT color=#ff0000>"the
conversation is still going on" </FONT><FONT color=#000000>and that's what
we can do....and that's what we are doing now, here.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Artur, you wrote about how news about
portuguese soldiers were presented on portuguese TV.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And i can tell from my country's
experiences (a young republic trying to learn to live in
democracy, we lost many citizens because of terror and
spent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a lot of resources; lifes, capital,
years for that....where democratic and economic and
scientific development stoped by "coup d'etat" every 10
years) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>any intervention by army, a
power </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>which establishes its own rules and
regulations, imposes its own truth on people....not only demolishes what
the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>community has built till that time
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>but also stops development, takes its
future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My personal opinion, by that time as humanity
we should be experienced enough not to allow this to happen again and
again....but who knows?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>maybe everything will be more meaningful in
the very very long term. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But for now; still i suspect
that anybody has to suffer...suffering can be the cost or means for
anything ...and wanted to share my suspicion with you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>...i can not accept such an
excuse "someone saying i am doing this in favor of these people
although they suffer, die now ".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's like parents beating
their children, it's like </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>not
allowing children to express themselves and claiming that a healthy child
can grow up like that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I say "No, there must be other
ways, means to do that...maybe more space (as Chris is mentioning)..maybe more
money....more food...more fun....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>more games"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Funda </FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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