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<DIV><STRONG>Agneta:</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I agree with you. I am Canadian living in the US and I was very
upset when Mr. Bush said that if a country wasn't with the US it was
against the US. Whatever happened to the grey space in between the black and
white? Open Space is about opening room for debate and for discussion in a
climate of mutual respect. We can be angry about something but it is not "my way
or the highway". It should be the beginnning of a healthy respectful
discussion.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Respectfully Esther</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Judy,
<BR>When I read what you have written I feel upset. I feel upset and hurt by
the irony, the aggressiveness, the selfrighteousness, the oversimplyfied
statements. <BR>We are, I believe, many many persons in the world who in a way
love US, and at the same time are frightened by the role US plays today. We
are also frightened by terrorism and by fundamentalism of all kinds. All
kinds.<BR>We don´t have to agree at all on this list. And, we have to refrain
from verbal tricks if we want this list to be the global open space where we
can handle complexity together.<BR><BR>I might be wrong.<BR>Agneta Setterwall,
Sweden<BR><BR><BR>Spady's wrote:
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Funda writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"a <STRONG>long term</STRONG> <SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P>democracy </O:P></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>(at least freedom of expression for everybody) can not be
created<STRONG>by force</STRONG><EM>."</EM></FONT></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>The big question I have for you to think about is...Whohas
<STRONG><U>force</U></STRONG> beenused against in the Iraq war? It isn't the
people who are trying to build the democratic society. The U.S. and it's
allies <EM><STRONG>forced</STRONG></EM> <U>the tyrants</U> out so that the
Iraqi people are no longer supressed and <EM>can</EM> live in long term
democracy. So.......how can you say that it won't work?? You have to break
it down to who the force is being used on. Can the tyrants like Saddam
freely express themselves??........absolutely not. He gave up that right
when he chose to kill innocent people.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I guess "time will tell" if the long term democracy works in Iraq but
at this point, I don't think you can accurately conclude that it
won't......</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>As for your comments on why we can't <U><EM>discuss</EM></U> 'this and
that' and all have a group hug........do you honestly think that's even
possible with people like Saddam??.....or UBL? Please.........</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Judy</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>from the essay :</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The researchers at the Santa Fe
Institute have denominated self-organizing<BR>systems </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><FONT color=#008000><STRONG>Complex
Adaptive Systems. The key word is adaptive, which indicates<BR>that the
system, be that molecular or human, is constantly adapting to
its<BR>internal and external environment seeking a better
fit</STRONG>,</FONT> a better way of<BR>getting along in the world. This
might also be called learning, for the<BR>system is not only finding
better ways to be, it is also remembering them<BR>for future use. In short
a body of knowledge is being built which will<BR>enable higher levels of
survival."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Collective consciousness in this case
is not to be confused with deep shared consciousness manifest in the
Jungian archetypes, but rather a functional intelligence that appeared
capable of observing a situation, consider the options, and then take
concerted action – all without a word spoken and in an incredibly short
period of time (minutes). How this works, I don’t have a clue, but in the
situations where the <B><SPAN style="COLOR: green">collective
consciousness</SPAN></B> became manifest I found myself reminded of the
<B><SPAN style="COLOR: green">behavioral shift</SPAN></B> of the ant
colony when they moved from random search to well ordered columns,
bringing home the tart, all of which seemed to happen with the snap of a
finger. I suppose if ants can do it, humans might be capable as
well."</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P>some
reflections onwars, cooperation, open space etc ;</O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P>I agree that a sudden need or crises cancause quick self
organisation and a shift in collective consciousness </O:P></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P>(i.e wars, natural disasters).</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>However self organisation for aquick reaction doesn't mean
that a <STRONG>healthy</STRONG> community ( democracy, peace,long term
cooperation, civilization)</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>has been built.</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>I studied business and not psychology or sociology but from
life experiencesi know that"fear"prevents</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>aopen
space, a <STRONG>long term</STRONG> </FONT></O:P></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT color=#0000ff>democracy</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>(at least freedom of expression for everybody) can not be
created<STRONG>by force</STRONG><EM>.</EM></FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>Wars are different then naturaldisasters as they aremade by
human.</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>Survivalshould be theeasiest achievement whena group of
human being comes together. So the big question for me is why we are
stillat that level </FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>after </FONT></O:P></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>14M years? why we can not discuss how we can develop
alltogether in peace,joy and richness?why we don't discuss how we
can</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>establish a better cooperation, better ways of exchangeamong
different cultures, religions, regions, countriesetc
?</FONT></O:P></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><O:P><FONT
color=#0000ff>Funda</FONT></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:jack@designinglife.com
href="mailto:jack@designinglife.com">Jack Ricchiuto</A> </DIV>
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Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>
<P align=left><FONT size=2>Reflecting the way ecologists today are
starting to redefine "fitness", author Robert Ulanowicz defines fitness
as “the </FONT><FONT size=2>ability of a species to play a role in the
web of ecological processes.”</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>~~~~~~~~~~</DIV>
<DIV>jack ricchiuto</DIV>
<DIV>two.one.six/three.seven.three/seven.four.seven.five</DIV>
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<DIV>From: Steve Gawron <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
title=mailto:gawron@megsinet.net
href="mailto:gawron@megsinet.net"><gawron@megsinet.net></A></DIV>
<DIV>To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
title=mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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<DIV>Date: Wed, Feb-9-2005 6:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV>Hello Don and all,</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>There is an interesting book by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi which
supports that</DIV>
<DIV>concept of survival of ideas in a Darwinian context. The book is
called</DIV>
<DIV>"Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience", ISBN
0-06-016253-8</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>In brief, a "flow" experience is akin to reading a book you
cannot put down.</DIV>
<DIV>I hope you enjoy the read.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Steve Gawron</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>From: "Don Ferretti" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
title=mailto:dferrett@placer.ca.gov
href="mailto:dferrett@placer.ca.gov"><dferrett@placer.ca.gov></A></DIV>
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<DIV>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>> I can give you a lot of detail to back this up but I will
not take up</DIV>
<DIV>> air time here to do that. I just wanted to say that I know
for a fact</DIV>
<DIV>> that the "survival of the fittest" mantra was not even
spoken by Darwin.</DIV>
<DIV>> But, his whole body of work seems to have been boiled down
to that idea.</DIV>
<DIV>> I have my theory as to why that is. But, if you really look
at all of</DIV>
<DIV>> that work, the role of cooperation, adaptation and
flexibility plays a</DIV>
<DIV>> much more important role. We did not make it this far
through</DIV>
<DIV>> competition, but through pervasive cooperation.</DIV>
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