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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Funda writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"a <STRONG>long term</STRONG> <SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p>democracy
</o:p></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>(at least freedom of expression for everybody) can not be
created <STRONG>by force</STRONG><EM>."</EM></FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The big question I have for you to think about is...Who has
<STRONG><U>force</U></STRONG> been used against in the Iraq war? It
isn't the people who are trying to build the democratic society. The U.S.
and it's allies <EM><STRONG>forced</STRONG></EM> <U>the tyrants</U> out so that
the Iraqi people are no longer supressed and <EM>can</EM> live in long term
democracy. So.......how can you say that it won't work?? You have to
break it down to who the force is being used on. Can the tyrants like
Saddam freely express themselves??........absolutely not. He gave up that
right when he chose to kill innocent people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I guess "time will tell" if the long term democracy works in Iraq but at
this point, I don't think you can accurately conclude that it won't......</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for your comments on why we can't <U><EM>discuss</EM></U> 'this and
that' and all have a group hug........do you honestly think that's even possible
with people like Saddam??.....or UBL? Please.........</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Judy</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr href="mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr">Funda
Oral</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Survival of the
Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>from the essay :</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The researchers at the Santa Fe
Institute have denominated self-organizing<BR>systems </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><FONT color=#008000><STRONG>Complex
Adaptive Systems. The key word is adaptive, which indicates<BR>that the
system, be that molecular or human, is constantly adapting to its<BR>internal
and external environment seeking a better fit</STRONG>,</FONT> a better way
of<BR>getting along in the world. This might also be called learning, for
the<BR>system is not only finding better ways to be, it is also remembering
them<BR>for future use. In short a body of knowledge is being built which
will<BR>enable higher levels of survival."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Collective consciousness in this case is
not to be confused with deep shared consciousness manifest in the Jungian
archetypes, but rather a functional intelligence that appeared capable of
observing a situation, consider the options, and then take concerted action –
all without a word spoken and in an incredibly short period of time (minutes).
How this works, I don’t have a clue, but in the situations where the <B><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">collective consciousness</SPAN></B> became manifest I
found myself reminded of the <B><SPAN style="COLOR: green">behavioral
shift</SPAN></B> of the ant colony when they moved from random search to well
ordered columns, bringing home the tart, all of which seemed to happen with
the snap of a finger. I suppose if ants can do it, humans might be capable as
well."</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p>some
reflections on wars, cooperation, open space etc ;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p>I
agree that a sudden need or crises can cause quick self organisation and
a shift in collective consciousness </o:p></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> (i.e
wars, natural disasters).</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>However self organisation for a quick reaction doesn't mean
that a <STRONG>healthy</STRONG> community ( democracy, peace, long term
cooperation, civilization)</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>has been built.</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>I studied business and not psychology or sociology but from life
experiences i know that "fear" prevents</FONT> <FONT
color=#0000ff>a open space, a <STRONG>long term</STRONG>
</FONT></o:p></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>democracy </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>(at least freedom of expression for everybody) can not be
created <STRONG>by force</STRONG><EM>.</EM></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>Wars are different then natural disasters as they
are made by human.</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>Survival should be the easiest achievement when a
group of human being comes together. So the big question for me is why we are
still at that level </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>after </FONT></o:p></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>14M years? why we can not discuss how we can develop alltogether
in peace, joy and richness? why we don't discuss how we
can </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>establish a better cooperation, better ways of
exchange among different cultures, religions, regions, countries etc
?</FONT></o:p></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff>Funda</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p>
</o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jack@designinglife.com href="mailto:jack@designinglife.com">Jack
Ricchiuto</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE..EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Survival of the
Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>
<P align=left><FONT size=2>Reflecting the way ecologists today are starting
to redefine "fitness", author Robert Ulanowicz defines fitness as “the
</FONT><FONT size=2>ability of a species to play a role in the web of
ecological processes.”</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>~~~~~~~~~~</DIV>
<DIV>jack ricchiuto</DIV>
<DIV>two.one.six/three.seven.three/seven.four.seven.five</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.designinglife.com">www.designinglife.com</A> / <A
href="http://www.appreciativeleadership.org">www.appreciativeleadership..org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>From: Steve Gawron <gawron@megsinet.net></DIV>
<DIV>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</DIV>
<DIV>Date: Wed, Feb-9-2005 6:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV>Hello Don and all,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is an interesting book by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi which
supports that</DIV>
<DIV>concept of survival of ideas in a Darwinian context. The book
is called</DIV>
<DIV>"Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience", ISBN
0-06-016253-8</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In brief, a "flow" experience is akin to reading a book you cannot
put down.</DIV>
<DIV>I hope you enjoy the read.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Steve Gawron</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Don Ferretti" <dferrett@placer.ca.gov></DIV>
<DIV>To: <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Survival of the Cooperative</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> I can give you a lot of detail to back this up but I will not
take up</DIV>
<DIV>> air time here to do that. I just wanted to say that I know for a
fact</DIV>
<DIV>> that the "survival of the fittest" mantra was not even spoken by
Darwin.</DIV>
<DIV>> But, his whole body of work seems to have been boiled down to
that idea.</DIV>
<DIV>> I have my theory as to why that is. But, if you really look at
all of</DIV>
<DIV>> that work, the role of cooperation, adaptation and flexibility
plays a</DIV>
<DIV>> much more important role. We did not make it this far
through</DIV>
<DIV>> competition, but through pervasive cooperation.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> <A
href="http://placer.networkofcare.org">http://placer.networkofcare.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>> www.placer.ca.gov/cfc</DIV>
<DIV>> First 5 - Placer CFC</DIV>
<DIV>> Don Ferretti - Director</DIV>
<DIV>> 530.886.1824</DIV>
<DIV>> 530.886.1810 (fax)</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
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