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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting observation. I would put forth that in
my world view the outcomes are not what needs to be considered. It is the
motivation that matters. There is no such thing as an exclusively self-serving
or self-less act, only self-serving or selfless motivation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are countless cases of truly wonderful
outcomes resulting from very self-serving actions and much harm has been done in
the name of compassion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, to me, deciding what assignments i am willing
to be involved with is based upon how those assignments resonate with my own
ethics and standards. This means the whole picture; the ethics of the
participants; the intent of the assignment, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is impossible to predict outcomes so, in reality
the only thing we can base our actions upon is the ethics of the act
itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>duff</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=henri.lipmanowicz@verizon.net
href="mailto:henri.lipmanowicz@verizon.net">Henri Lipmanowicz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: OS and ethics</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=251513522-01092004><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080
size=4>I am intrigued by the observation that, during the process
of discussing/thinking whether to accept or not an assignment, it
seems to be unavoidable to include explicit or implicit assumptions
about what will happen and/or what one's contribution will generate.
In other words future outcomes are part of the
considerations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=251513522-01092004><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=251513522-01092004><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080
size=4>What would happen if one started from the
premise that future outcomes cannot be predicted? How would that
affect one's reasoning and decision? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#333333
size=4>Henri</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#333333
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lisa
Heft<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OS and
ethics<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN class=GramE><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Great conversation,
all.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I agree with Harrison that this is about not just OS
but - whatever the methods we use - our own individual thoughts and decisions
about who we can choose to serve and when we draw the line for reasons of
conscience and our own values.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think for any facilitation job, it is important that
we see if this is the right fit for us as well as the <SPAN
class=GramE>client,</SPAN> and if it is not we can refer that job to someone
else or just say no.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
class=GramE>And that for me, this is a case-by-case
decision.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I know that there are amazing, healthy people in every
institution or corporation that we see all too easily as a big block of
sameness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have the lucky part:
the leaders who ask for Open Space - to me - are the visionaries.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are the people who say 'I am not
in control - I do not know the answer - we are greater if we tap the wisdom,
passion and responsibility of the greater group'. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So here I am imagining: some tobacco company
supervisor who wishes to call all the employees of a manufacturing facility
together to do an Open Space on how to re-design their work and their facility
so they will have less on-the-job injuries and a healthier workplace.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That sounds good to me.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Within a weapons manufacturing
facility I would like to think that there are supervisors who might see that
their staff is (let us pretend) grieving a massive layoff - and that Open
Space might help them process that <SPAN class=SpellE>griefwork</SPAN>.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That (though personally I would like
there to be less use for weapons manufacturers and I would like them to close
down) as a service to humans trying to do their best in a very sad
environment, also sounds good to me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Would I take a job for those companies?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I'm not sure.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don't like the products and I think
they are doing harm.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But maybe -
as in any contact with a prospective client, as I am getting an intuitive
sense for who they are personally and if I feel it's a 'fit' between us (as
much as whether Open Space would or would not be appropriate as together we
clarify their needs and situation) - just maybe I feel they are one of those
jewels inside a massive organization who are doing a really good thing with
their staff or the surrounding community. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And that facilitation might help them
stay healthier and appreciate each other more.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I did have a great series of conversations with
someone within a huge organization where we (you and I) might not have agreed
with that organization's product or what we perceive to be their values. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And what they were doing was something
the local residents were not happy with.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>But legislation had already occurred allowing it to happen and so it
was a 'done deal' as they say in the States (for you folks who do not have
English as a first language: it could not be fixed; it was going to happen
anyway).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, there was an
amazing guy who worked within this organization who wanted to hold Open Spaces
with the community and with people in his organization who cared about the
community anyway, so they could have a space for anger and grief, for
frustration and hopes, and maybe, just maybe, provide some insight into how
things could work better the next time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Would you consider doing an Open Space with this guy
and this community?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Actually, he was for other reasons unable to go ahead
with this Open Space. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But I was
going to say yes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And my greatest
concern is what others would assume about me if they saw that company on my
list of clients.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I wondered if I
would lose some potential work from one organization <SPAN
class=GramE>who</SPAN> might look at my client list and not like another
organization they saw there.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So
really this particular facilitation situation felt good and clean to me but I
knew I would wrestle afterwards with whether to list that organization on my
client list or simply omit it because of what *others* would think about
me.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And that's a whole *other*
conversation we could have here.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">At one point in an earlier conversation on this list,
I said that I might even facilitate an Open Space for a gang.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because I have worked a bit with
gangs, and gee if they wanted to have an Open Space on making peace with
another gang I'd like to help. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Or
if they wanted to figure out how to get more education even though they are
not in school, I would like to help with that, too. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because in doing an Open Space I also
think I'd help people see each other in new ways, breathe a little bit in a
nutrient-rich environment, experience passion, difference or even rage in a
way that says <SPAN class=GramE>its</SPAN> okay to have feelings, and so
on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Which I think would be
glorious for individuals in that life to be able to
feel.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Would I do an Open Space to help a gang figure out how
to obliterate another gang?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Or
<SPAN class=GramE>a tobacco company</SPAN> how to make secret chemicals in
candy addict children to cigarettes before they ever smoked one? <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Or a weapons company to build a mine
that looks <SPAN class=GramE>like</SPAN> a candy wrapper so it could be picked
up by a child?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
class=GramE>Absolutely not.</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">But I also wouldn't help a peace organization do an
Open Space on how to burn down a military base. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So it is case by case which would let me know where to
draw my line.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">Interesting
stuff,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">Lisa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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