<P>Thanks as always, Harrison for the clarity and perspective - and to those who have raised and are contributing to the discussion.</P>
<P>It's been particularly timely and relevant for me, now.</P>
<P>Steve<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Harrison Owen <HHOWEN@COMCAST.NET><BR>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:31:50 -0400<BR>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Subject: Re: ethics and OST<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It strikes me that Raffi's list is less about OS than personal preference. We certainly all have to make our choices, but personally I would not have any problem opening space for the folks mentioned. Indeed, I think I already have, and in fact I have done the same with organizations that might seem infinitely worse. My reasons are several fold. First, it has been my experience that in Open Space the strangest sorts of people begin to treat each other with respect, find that integrity and authenticity are not only useful, but actually feel good (despite any immediate pain), begin to experience their world as an infinitely connected place -- and not their private domain. And much more. From where I sit, these sorts of learnings are invaluable if we are to have a less toxic, fearful and destructive world. Most important, these are "experiences of" and not "words about" -- and experience beats words/precepts/admonitions every da
y of the week. A second reason I would not hesitate to open space for such folks is that I don't really believe that the space is ours to give or withhold. It belongs to everybody already. I know that folks have and will thank me for a gift -- but in truth it is a gift they already possess, and if I have done anything, it is only to remind them of that fact. In a word, I can't really think of any situation where I would not open space given the opportunity. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The oppportunity to open space for some group is for me a profound honor and privilege. But not all opportunities are appropriate for me. If I find that my personal space is closed as far as that group or organization is concerned -- for whatever reason -- I can't really do the job. And continuing under those circumstances would be, in my judgement, a major violation of principle, not mention ethics! Reduced to its simplest terms, the fundamental question for me is -- Is the space really open? And if not, is there a reasonable possibility to Space might be opened. If my space is closed, I am obviously not the person for the job , although somebody else might be. And if the space is closed in an organization by official dictate uttered by the superior Control Freak -- there is not too much room to work in. And worse yet, if it becomes clear that the interest in Open Space is just another word for control -- well. . . </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=raffi@pochtamt.ru href="mailto:raffi@pochtamt.ru">Raffi Aftandelian</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Cyr" size=2>I did a cursory search of the OS list archives, and the impression I have is the ethics question has only been somewhat "plumbed".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Cyr" size=2>Phil, you ask what are some ways OST can be destructive?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Examples:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>-Building more McDonald's restaurants- how we can sustain expansion of this chain?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>-Conducting OS with any corporation which has had a history of discrimination, crowding out small business, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>-Would you agree to conduct (if you were in the US) an OS to explore how to mobilize volunteers to help elect Bush? Or any candidate with whom you don't agree?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I have never taken a course in ethics or anything along those lines. Maybe there are folks on-list who might have a framework the guides them on the ethics issue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe the examples I have listed as "destructive" are not necessarily destructive?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Still ponderously,</FONT></DIV>
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