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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Zelle, thanks for your authentic observations. The zen vow I’ve
made to my friends over the past couple of years is: <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>I promise to be unique, impermanent, and interdependent</span></i>. I
count on their compassion for my living out this vow, as I hope they can count
on my compassion to do the same for them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Open Space’s law and principles evoke a different
social aesthetic than we’re normally used to – hanging on to
situations long past the bandwidth of our passions, judging ourselves for what
we should have done instead.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>A question from a friend today that seems to be an
interesting guide to the intersection of open space responsibility and passion:
</span></font><i><font size=1><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-style:italic'>What
quality does my soul want me to live more fully?"<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></i></p>
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8.0pt;color:navy'>_/\_<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
8.0pt;color:navy'>jack ricchiuto<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
8.0pt;color:navy'>www.designinglife.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
8.0pt;color:navy'>two.one.six/ three.seven.three/ seven.four.seven.five.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Zelle
Nelson [mailto:zelle@knowplacelikehome.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:02
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Is there a need to hold
space for people to ask the question, "what's 1 more thing we need to stop
doing?" - long</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Doug,<br>
<br>
Maureen says hi back.<br>
<br>
Doug wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"The question does, however, seem to assume that we have a bounded supply of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>passion and responsibility. Especially given that in OS we work among<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>groups, I am not sure that such is necessarily the case...."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Let me clear up some assumptions...<br>
<br>
Passion - unlimited<br>
<br>
Responsibility - In my experience responsibility is a choice. Each individual
determines on their own how much they are willing to take on. Often we are able
to take on more than we first assume we can handle, but how much and when we
take responsibility is ultimately an internal choice based on our experience of
the external world matched with our experience of the internal world mixed with
the callings of our passions.<br>
<br>
Time/Energy/Money (in the context of the earth and human beings) i.e. how we
act out our responsibility -<br>
<br>
- For individuals, time/energy/money is finite - whether we look at a day or a
lifetime. <br>
- For a group, time/energy/money is as abundant as the group decides by
self-organizing around passions. So even if some individuals in a group become
disinterested or die, the original passions that called the group in the first
place can still call and spark other individuals to continue the actions. The
trick is groups are made up of individuals.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Doug wrote...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Especially given that in OS we work among groups,"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, in OS we do work with groups, yet each group is
made up of individuals who are passionate enough about an invitation (from the
invitation that gets them there to the topics posted in the Market Place of
Ideas) to choose to take the time and use their two feet (i.e. be responsible
for the passions that call us) and join the conversation.<br>
<br>
And that's just in OST. At least in Maureen and my experience, these
individuals (especially from corporate land) once they leave the Open Space,
tend to be pulled back by their lives and responsibilities that existed before
they entered into OST. The struggle they face is feeling obligation towards
what was their lives before the OST, and the passions that were ignited in the
Open Space. Often the companies do not remove responsibilities, but ask these individuals
to add to their responsibilities. <br>
<br>
Too often as individuals (and as organizations) when we take responsibility for
something it is a choice we make once, and stick to it until we are forced or
called (internally or externally) to make a different choice about where and
when to spend our time, energy, and money. And if there is any way not to let
go of a responsibility we don't, because in our society letting go of a
responsibility is like failing, or going back on your word. When we let go of a
responsibility we let go of a piece of ourselves by which we are defined - he's
a great father; she's a wonderful philanthropist; she's a dedicated business
woman; etc. If we stop taking responsibility for those things we define
ourselves by, our identity is in question.<br>
<br>
I believe it is important to give people (and organizations) time and space to
examine what they may have to give up in order to follow their newest passion.
They need time and space to reexamine their identities. Who are they going to
be as they walk away from OST? We've left that step to be taken privately, or
without someone to at the very least hold space. Without being given the space,
the waves of the world can flood the sparks that were lit in OST. Without being
given the space there is little opportunity to replace or weave together the
old foundations/ways of doing business/living with the new foundations/ways of
doing business/living discovered during OST.<br>
<br>
I believe there is an opportunity to model living in Open Space. Where we choose
our responsibility as it matches our passions in each moment, rather than
sticking to a responsibility choice made 10 minutes ago or 10 years ago. <br>
<br>
Some examples...<br>
I've experienced it in Open Space so many times...You go to the Marketplace,
it's session 1, you choose to attend topic Q that looks compelling which will
be held in session 3, you tell your friends you'll definitely be at topic Q,
session 3 rolls around and topic Q that was a passion 3 hours ago is now not as
compelling, or something else has become more compelling, you don't go to topic
Q. In Open Space you've just used your two feet and you feel good about
yourself, where you're going, what you're doing. No one questions your
integrity - they praise you for it. <br>
<br>
That same situation outside of OST...It's 10am, you plan to go to a cafe to
meet some friends at 1pm, you tell others that you're so excited about meeting
your friends at the cafe at 1pm and tell them to join you, 1 pm rolls around
and you've used your two feet and are in the park reading a great book, you
don't go to the cafe. You're not in "formal" Open Space and your
friends wonder where you are, they question your ability to be responsible, to
keep your word, you've failed to do what you said you were going to do, you
might feel guilty.<br>
<br>
Thankfully many of my friends do not question where I was, or why I didn't let
them know I wasn't coming after I said I was. They don't question my integrity.
Still, some of them, sometimes, do.<br>
<br>
I usually don't question my identity or my ability to be responsible when I
choose a different passion at a moment when I said I was going to be somewhere
else. But sometimes I do. Sometimes I feel guilty for following my two feet
when I'm not in the bounded realm of OST. Sometimes I question my identity when
I'm not somewhere I planned to be, even if I never told anyone but myself that
I would be somewhere or do something at a certain time. And that's just in a
space of 3 or 4 hours. And in my experience, I'm not the norm in our society. <br>
<br>
What about the person who's done the same thing, held the same kind of
responsibility, for years. Do they have the space to question what passions
they will follow now that they've discovered something new? Will they stop
doing something that has been seen as valuable by themselves, or their peers,
or their organization without the space to even decide to choose where their
passion and responsibility lie?<br>
<br>
I believe we have a roll as facilitators to hold that space where people can
answer the questions: "what is our shared vision? what do we need to stop
doing to make space for what we want to start doing? how do we honor what we
will stop doing? and, how do we walk forward and create our future
together?"<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
With Grace and Love, <br>
<br>
Zelle <br>
<br>
************ <br>
Zelle Nelson <br>
Engaging the Soul at Work/Know Place Like Home/State of Grace Document <br>
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<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Zelle--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(Please say hi to Maureen for me--it has been a long time. And I am glad to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>see your posts here--even heard your name at the Giving Conference in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chicago</span></font></st1:place></st1:City> this weekend--were your ears burning? <grin>)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I sat up in my chair when I saw your invitation to reflect on what we need<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to give up to make room for what we want to have happen in our lives. It is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a life-giving question. Thank you, Zelle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The question does, however, seem to assume that we have a bounded supply of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>passion and responsibility. Especially given that in OS we work among<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>groups, I am not sure that such is necessarily the case....<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> :-Doug. Germann<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Seeking people making change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Original thread:</span></font></b><br>
<br>
<st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>,<br>
<br>
Thoughtful words - thank you. <br>
<br>
I've talked too many times to count with my wife, OS partner, business partner,
amazing human being, Maureen McCarthy about: after two days/rounds of OST
(primarily conversation about passions and responsibilities, then more focus
and action around what to do now with those p's and r's once we leave here;
tipping our hat to non-convergence as it has become to be known - thank you
Michael and Chris for starting that journey) to holding a third day/round
asking the question:<br>
<br>
Now that we've talked about what we are passionate about, and how we plan
to/are taking responsibility for our passions - what do we need to stop doing
or do less of in order to make space for the ideas and passions we've just
spent two days identifying and expressing?<br>
<br>
In the old adage, "what's one more thing not to do" - thanks again <st1:place
w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place> - lies a way to open more space outside of the
"formally" opened space. Maureen and I have struggled for
years, often in corporate land, about holding an Open Space, or facilitating
meetings, or teaching skills which result in more work for the participants not
less. So often when we come into a situation the organization is looking to
improve something, be more productive, and the organization ends up layering
the new foundations/ways of doing business/living we've opened/held space for
them to create on top of all the old things they've been doing (things that
have worked for them) for years. They're working harder than before. We don't
leave time for the organization to decide an overall plan weaving the past -
what we've always done because in some way shape or form it works, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it."; present - incredible passion and ideas
and actions developed in 1, 2, or 3 short days of being in the moment; and future
- now that we have multiple ideas, some old, some new on the table, what is our
shared vision? how can we create it together?<br>
<br>
I understand that the invitation to do what works and stop doing what doesn't
is implicit in the process of opening space, but we think it's time to start
making that invitation, "What's one more thing not to do?" explicit
not only in "formally" opened space but also in the open space that
we are all actually living in, every moment. <br>
<br>
Having written all this, maybe the third day/round is started with the
invitation, "what is our shared vision? what do we need to stop doing to
make space for what we want to start doing? how do we honor what we will stop
doing, because it has served us? and, how do we walk forward and create our
future together?<br>
<br>
I think this invitation begs the question asked earlier, "is OST simply a
half-way technology?" maybe this third invitation will help us to break
the self-created barrier that is the "formally" opened space that
exists in contrast to the idea that we are always in open space until we impose
our own boundaries and barriers on our lives.<br>
<br>
What does everyone think about this?<br>
<br>
With Grace and Love, <br>
<br>
Zelle <br>
<br>
************ <br>
Zelle Nelson <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Zelle -- I think you have hit the nail precisely on
the head. We need all the help we can get when it come to being fully and
productively in the moment -- a clear witness to the ongoing power of self
organization. I think it also becomes clear that the task is also a very simple
one -- Just be in the moment. No learning, no technique will get us there, and
while all (AI, Dialogue etc) can be helpful in terms of pointing us
in the right direction, helping with first steps, reminding us of what is
important . . . At the end of the day you just have to Do it. In my own
experience, there comes a point when the details and complexities of the
techniques (approaches) stand in the way of the experience. Case(s) in point were
the several instances when a colleague suggested doing a Dialogue in the midst
of an Open Space. Although I deeply respect the process and the
thought/research that lies behind it -- I also found the experience annoyingly
restrictive. Doubtless my annoyance arose from my innately prickly personality
-- but I found myself wondering why we were engaged in this elaborate process
when dialogue (small "d") was happening all around us, all by itself.
Don't talk about it, don't think about it, don't "process it" --
just do it. I have had the same experience with AI. There is absolutely no
question that the insights and approach embodied in AI can and does bring a
group of people to some good places they may never have visited
before. But again -- when difference is appreciated as a matter of course
-- as often seems to be the case in Open Space (self-organizing system) why not
just appreciate the appreciation?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>My real hope in raising some the issues that I have
was/is to open some space beyond Open Space Technology, Appreciative Inquiry,
Dialogue, Community building and the like. If it is true that difference
is appreciated, deep conversation achieved, community enlivened, etc --
all as the natural concomitant of a well functioning self-organizing system --
how do we build on that? This is not so much a matter of "doing a better
Open Space" -- but rather doing better in the open space of our lives. In
"The Practice of Peace" I attempted to use what I perceive to be the
learnings from Open Space (start with invitation, convene a circle, welcome
passion and responsibility) as a first approximation. But I think it is only
that, a first approximation. Where do we go from here?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:zelle@knowplacelikehome.com" title="zelle@knowplacelikehome.com">Zelle
Nelson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> Monday, July 12, 2004 6:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Re: the dark side of circle practices --
and related themes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
some thoughts on our role as facilitator...<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>...And what about all those other great experiments -- Dialogue, Appreciative<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Inquiry, <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Community</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, and I suppose "Circle practices" (although I am<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>not quite sure what they are)? Speaking just for my self -- I must say that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>each of these have been profound teachers. >From the practitioners of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dialogue I have learned what intense and productive communication can be<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>like. From Appreciative Inquiry I have learned the incredible power of a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>positive, appreciate approach to my fellow human beings. And from Scott Peck<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and <st1:place
w:st="on">Co.</st1:place> I have learned much about the nature and function of effective human<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>community. Each of these has opened my eyes, sharpened my attention, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>raised my expectations in terms of what and how we can function at optimal<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>levels both individually and collectively. But my deepest learning occurs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>when with open sharpened, eyes I see exactly the same things happening in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Open Space -- all by themselves, and all without the overt intervention of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>some prescribed, facilitated process. I find my emerging conclusion to be<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>basically mind-blowing -- although some may take it to mean that I have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>blown (lost) my mind. It seems to me that genuine dialogue, deep<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>appreciation of difference, and the manifestation of real community are all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the natural concomitants of any fully functional self-organizing system. If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>this is true, the real focus should be on enabling/allowing the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do --<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>rather than trying to "fix" apparent and real problems encountered along the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>way with special interventions and added processes, as fascinating as those<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>processes and interventions might be. As I said, Don't fix it if it ain't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>broke -- just make sure that "it" (good old self organizing system) has<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>plenty of time and space in which to breath.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Zelle writes:<br>
<br>
I'm oscillating between two prime pillars: 1) Learning and adopting tools (Appreciative
Inquiry, Dialog, etc.) to help us interact ultimately in a state of grace*** 2)
Living, being, experiencing as our path to learning and as a way of life.<br>
<br>
***sidebar*** Living in a State of Grace means coming from a place where peace
is our ultimate goal in any relationship rather than striving to keep the
status quo of a relationship at any cost. When we hold onto our idea of a
relationship at any cost we are coming from a place of fear - fear of loss,
fear of pain - Living in a State of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Grace</st1:place></st1:State>
does not mean we hold the relationship as a sacred cow, but rather we hold the
people involved as sacred. I never want to see you walking down the street and
feel I need to cross over to the other side to avoid talking to you, whether we
agree on certain issues or not. To learn more about how to more fully live in a
State of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Grace</st1:place></st1:State>
visit <a href="http://www.stateofgracedocument.com***">www.stateofgracedocument.com***</a><br>
<br>
The way of being I hold is a paradox. In Open Space I can use the tools I've
learned towards better relationships with others and myself. And I can practice
being in Open Space, living as the waves and tides of my internal and external
world compel me to move, act, speak, listen, and be. I seek to live by the
principles of Open Space, since I see the act of formally opening space as an
acknowledgment of what is already out there to be lived. I need neither skills
nor advanced training to take responsibility for myself and my passions, yet in
my experience, I more richly engage in bountiful relationships when I utilize
skills and tools which I have been taught or have created to facilitate living
the reality of responsibility and passion.<br>
<br>
To address what <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"It seems to me that genuine dialogue, deep<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>appreciation of difference, and the manifestation of real community are all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the natural concomitants of any fully functional self-organizing system. If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>this is true, the real focus should be on enabling/allowing the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do --<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>rather than trying to "fix" apparent and real problems encountered along the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>way with special interventions and added processes, as fascinating as those<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>processes and interventions might be."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Having learned many skills and tools which enable me
to better know how I wish to be in relationship with others has greatly
enhanced my ability to act and move within a "formally" - being in
circle, stating the law and principles, creating a marketplace of ideas -
opened space. I am more "fully functional" within a
"self-organizing system" because of the tools I have learned. Leaving
space open for others to learn techniques within the bounds of a
"formally" opened space, in my experience, can be beneficial. Our
challenge as facilitators of Open Space is to know when to hold um and know
when to fold um - know when to offer aid in facilitating dynamically changing
relationships and when to simply hold space for each individual to find their
own way and their own learning. As I've seen from posts here and heard from
discussions with colleagues the ultimate path to knowing when to do what comes
full circle back to following our passion and our responsibility on an
individual basis as spirit arises. <br>
<br>
When "formally" holding space I like to provide opportunities for topics
to be posted relevant to facilitating the resolution of the questions addressed
in the invitation, including opportunities for learning tools and processes
that foster fruitful relationships. These opportunities must, in my opinion be
as voluntary as the other topics which arise. Often these opportunities are
offered outside of the "formally" opened space and are not a
prerequisite of being involved in an Open Space event.<br>
<br>
In my experience once I "formally" open space I rarely do anything
but hold space and try to bounce back any attempts to bring me in to facilitate
a discussion, by saying something like, "This part of the meeting is
yours. You have the ability and the responsibility to follow your own two feet
and solve problems and challenges on your own." Outside of
"formally" opened space I tend to still stay out of trying to
"teach" something that I "know" unless I am invited to do
so.<br>
<br>
In my experience tools and skills which help us to be more fully present in
dynamic relationships (Appreciative Inquiry, Dialogue, State of <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Grace Documents</st1:place></st1:State>, Byron
Katie's Loving What Is) focus on <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"enabling/allowing the self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do we need these tools to be and self-organize into
active, responsible, passionate bodies? - No. Do these tools enable and allow
self organizing systems to be more fulfilling, fruitful, and rewarding? - In my
experience, Yes. As long as these tools and skills are not "required"
as a ticket for admission into a seemingly open space.<br>
<br>
With Grace and Love, <br>
<br>
Zelle <br>
<br>
************ <br>
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<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Artur Silva" <a
href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com"><arturfsilva@yahoo.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"><OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:00 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: the dark side of circle practices<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>--- chris macrae <a href="mailto:wcbn007@easynet.co.uk"><wcbn007@easynet.co.uk></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The process starts erring to absolute democracy of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>everyone must have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>equal time contributions to speak at each phase<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(...) In other<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>word's the circle's communal harmony ... can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>co-create such<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>deep love of nice<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>behaviours to each other that it misses the biggest<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>spiral out above our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>communal thinking's common denominator<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in' wrap=""><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>That's interesting, Chris.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have been, at times, in situations like that one -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>circles (or squares) where everyone must "be in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>place", must "speak in his turn" and must have a "nice<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>behavior".<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>They call this democratic, but in fact it is a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>dictatorship. In a democracy I can stay silent if I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>want. When everyone is obliged to speak that is not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>democratic. This can be a "rules' dictatorship"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(created by the rules previously defined,) a "leader's<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>dictatorship" (the leader(s) imposes that everyone<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>must speak), or even a more interesting type - a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"majority's dictatorship" (where the rule is created<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>at the moment by the majority).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Apart from claiming to be democratic, this type of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>groups/sessions also claim that they are following<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"good principles". The two I have heard more often are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"appreciation" (like in "appreciative inquiry") and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"dialog".<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Democracy (and Open Space) are made of dialogs AND of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>discussions. If one suppresses discussion and impose<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>dialog (as in "everyone must be nice to each other and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>hear the other with appreciation") then there is no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>democracy and no open space, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Apart from the fact that there are some people that I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>don't want to hear with appreciation (say, Bush, to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>give only one example) the point is even more strange.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Playing the appreciative game" (an expression I have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>created just know) is only one form of "playing games"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- and that is the essence of Argyris and Schon's Model<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If, in a meeting or organization, one imposes dialog<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and appreciation, then a close session or organization<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>will come to place.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Artur<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PS: I never heard to call this "circle" and even less<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Open Space. But I would not be too surprised if some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>would call that. I have already referred to a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>respectable group of practitioners of "Communities of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Practice", <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> based, that not long ago claimed that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>they had used "Open Space" (OST) in a meeting because:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they assembled in a circle<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they gave participants the opportunity to ADD issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to a large group of issues pre-prepared by the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>organizers<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they divided the large group in small groups to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>discuss those issues (by choice of the organizers, if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I recall well - but I recall well that there was no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>reference to "the law" - people were not expected to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>leave their group! That would not be considered<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"appreciative" to the other group members, I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>suspect...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>But don't worry about what some people do "in your<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>name", <st1:place
w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>. You can always remember what some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>have done (and are doing) in His name. And at least<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>about you I know that you exists - something I am not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>prepared to say about the Other...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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