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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For me your 3 C’s model of <span
class=SpellE>PoP</span> passing through the eye of Conflict, Chaos and Confusion
is the pinnacle learning of all these methods; if any other one has a higher
human learning construct, let’s hear it; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>otherwise let’s be confident that
open space is the simplest standard we can all DO - because it is the only one
whose cases experience got this far into what open communion and intercommunion
needs to be if everyone is to multiply their deepest contexts so that all human
beings can be the change and sustain the greatest collaborations people are
capable of <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>chris macrae<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="7" Day="13" Year="2004"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>13 July
2004</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="15" Minute="2"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>15:02</span></font></st1:time><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: the dark side of
circle practices -- and related themes</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Zelle -- I think you have hit the
nail precisely on the head. We need all the help we can get when it come to
being fully and productively in the moment -- a clear witness to the ongoing
power of self organization. I think it also becomes clear that the task is also
a very simple one -- Just be in the moment. No learning, no technique will get
us there, and while all (AI, Dialogue etc) can be helpful in terms of
pointing us in the right direction, helping with first steps, reminding us of what
is important . . . At the end of the day you just have to Do it. In my own
experience, there comes a point when the details and complexities of the
techniques (approaches) stand in the way of the experience. Case(s) in
point were the several instances when a colleague suggested doing a
Dialogue in the midst of an Open Space. Although I deeply respect the process
and the thought/research that lies behind it -- I also found the experience
annoyingly restrictive. Doubtless my annoyance arose from my innately prickly personality
-- but I found myself wondering why we were engaged in this elaborate process
when dialogue (small "d") was happening all around us, all by itself.
Don't talk about it, don't think about it, don't "process it" --
just do it. I have had the same experience with AI. There is absolutely no
question that the insights and approach embodied in AI can and does bring a
group of people to some good places they may never have visited
before. But again -- when difference is appreciated as a matter of course
-- as often seems to be the case in Open Space (self-organizing system) why not
just appreciate the appreciation?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My real hope in raising some the
issues that I have was/is to open some space beyond Open Space Technology,
Appreciative Inquiry, Dialogue, Community building and the like. If it is true
that difference is appreciated, deep conversation achieved, community
enlivened, etc -- all as the natural concomitant of a well functioning
self-organizing system -- how do we build on that? This is not so much a matter
of "doing a better Open Space" -- but rather doing better in the open
space of our lives. In "The Practice of Peace" I attempted to use
what I perceive to be the learnings from Open Space (start with invitation,
convene a circle, welcome passion and responsibility) as a first approximation.
But I think it is only that, a first approximation. Where do we go from here?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Harrison</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:zelle@knowplacelikehome.com"
title="zelle@knowplacelikehome.com">Zelle Nelson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title="OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
July 12, 2004 6:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: the
dark side of circle practices -- and related themes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
some thoughts on our role as facilitator...<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen wrote:<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
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<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>...And what about all those other great experiments -- Dialogue, Appreciative<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Inquiry, Community Building, and I suppose "Circle practices" (although I am<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>not quite sure what they are)? Speaking just for my self -- I must say that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>each of these have been profound teachers. >From the practitioners of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dialogue I have learned what intense and productive communication can be<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>like. From Appreciative Inquiry I have learned the incredible power of a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>positive, appreciate approach to my fellow human beings. And from Scott Peck<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>and Co. I have learned much about the nature and function of effective human<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>community. Each of these has opened my eyes, sharpened my attention, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>raised my expectations in terms of what and how we can function at optimal<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>levels both individually and collectively. But my deepest learning occurs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>when with open sharpened,<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>eyes I see exactly the same things happening in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Open Space -- all by themselves, and all without the overt intervention of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>some prescribed, facilitated process. I find my emerging conclusion to be<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>basically mind-blowing -- although some may take it to mean that I have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>blown (lost) my mind. It seems to me that genuine dialogue, deep<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>appreciation of difference, and the manifestation of real community are all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>the natural concomitants of any fully functional self-organizing system. If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>this is true, the real focus should be on enabling/allowing the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do --<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>rather than trying to "fix" apparent and real problems encountered along the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>way with special interventions and added processes, as fascinating as those<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>processes and interventions might be. As I said, Don't fix it if it ain't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>broke -- just make sure that "it" (good old self organizing system) has<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>plenty of time and space in which to breath.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Zelle writes:<br>
<br>
I'm oscillating between two prime pillars: 1) Learning and adopting tools
(Appreciative Inquiry, Dialog, etc.) to help us interact ultimately in a state
of grace*** 2) Living, being, experiencing as our path to learning and as a way
of life.<br>
<br>
***sidebar*** Living in a State of Grace means coming from a place where peace
is our ultimate goal in any relationship rather than striving to keep the
status quo of a relationship at any cost. When we hold onto our idea of a
relationship at any cost we are coming from a place of fear - fear of loss,
fear of pain - Living in a State of Grace does not mean we hold the relationship
as a sacred cow, but rather we hold the people involved as sacred. I never want
to see you walking down the street and feel I need to cross over to the other
side to avoid talking to you, whether we agree on certain issues or not. To
learn more about how to more fully live in a State of Grace visit <a
href="http://www.stateofgracedocument.com***">www.stateofgracedocument.com***</a><br>
<br>
The way of being I hold is a paradox. In Open Space I can use the tools I've
learned towards better relationships with others and myself. And I can practice
being in Open Space, living as the waves and tides of my internal and external
world compel me to move, act, speak, listen, and be. I seek to live by the
principles of Open Space, since I see the act of formally opening space as an
acknowledgment of what is already out there to be lived. I need neither skills
nor advanced training to take responsibility for myself and my passions, yet in
my experience, I more richly engage in bountiful relationships when I utilize
skills and tools which I have been taught or have created to facilitate living
the reality of responsibility and passion.<br>
<br>
To address what Harrison wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"It seems to me that genuine dialogue, deep<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>appreciation of difference, and the manifestation of real community are all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>the natural concomitants of any fully functional self-organizing system. If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>this is true, the real focus should be on enabling/allowing the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do --<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>rather than trying to "fix" apparent and real problems encountered along the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>way with special interventions and added processes, as fascinating as those<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>processes and interventions might be."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Having learned many
skills and tools which enable me to better know how I wish to be in relationship
with others has greatly enhanced my ability to act and move within a
"formally" - being in circle, stating the law and principles,
creating a marketplace of ideas - opened space. I am more "fully
functional" within a "self-organizing system" because of the
tools I have learned. Leaving space open for others to learn techniques within
the bounds of a "formally" opened space, in my experience, can be
beneficial. Our challenge as facilitators of Open Space is to know when to hold
um and know when to fold um - know when to offer aid in facilitating
dynamically changing relationships and when to simply hold space for each
individual to find their own way and their own learning. As I've seen from
posts here and heard from discussions with colleagues the ultimate path to
knowing when to do what comes full circle back to following our passion and our
responsibility on an individual basis as spirit arises. <br>
<br>
When "formally" holding space I like to provide opportunities for
topics to be posted relevant to facilitating the resolution of the questions
addressed in the invitation, including opportunities for learning tools and
processes that foster fruitful relationships. These opportunities must, in my
opinion be as voluntary as the other topics which arise. Often these
opportunities are offered outside of the "formally" opened space and
are not a prerequisite of being involved in an Open Space event.<br>
<br>
In my experience once I "formally" open space I rarely do anything
but hold space and try to bounce back any attempts to bring me in to facilitate
a discussion, by saying something like, "This part of the meeting is
yours. You have the ability and the responsibility to follow your own two feet
and solve problems and challenges on your own." Outside of "formally"
opened space I tend to still stay out of trying to "teach" something
that I "know" unless I am invited to do so.<br>
<br>
In my experience tools and skills which help us to be more fully present in
dynamic relationships (Appreciative Inquiry, Dialogue, State of Grace Documents,
Byron Katie's Loving What Is) focus on <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"enabling/allowing the self-organizing system (which we all are) to do what it alone can do"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do we need these tools to
be and self-organize into active, responsible, passionate bodies? - No. Do
these tools enable and allow self organizing systems to be more fulfilling,
fruitful, and rewarding? - In my experience, Yes. As long as these tools and
skills are not "required" as a ticket for admission into a seemingly
open space.<br>
<br>
With Grace and Love, <br>
<br>
Zelle <br>
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Zelle Nelson <br>
Engaging the Soul at Work/Know Place Like Home/State of Grace Document <br>
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<a href="http://www.stateofgracedocument.com">www.stateofgracedocument.com</a> <br>
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<a href="mailto:zelle@maureenandzelle.com">zelle@maureenandzelle.com</a> <br>
office - 828.693.0802 <br>
mobile - 847.951.7030 <br>
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<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Artur Silva" <a
href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com"><arturfsilva@yahoo.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"><OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:00 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: the dark side of circle practices<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>--- chris macrae <a href="mailto:wcbn007@easynet.co.uk"><wcbn007@easynet.co.uk></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The process starts erring to absolute democracy of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>everyone must have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>equal time contributions to speak at each phase<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(...) In other<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>word's the circle's communal harmony ... can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>co-create such<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>deep love of nice<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>behaviours to each other that it misses the biggest<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>spiral out above our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>communal thinking's common denominator<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre style='margin-left:36.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>That's interesting, Chris.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have been, at times, in situations like that one -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>circles (or squares) where everyone must "be in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>place", must "speak in his turn" and must have a "nice<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>behavior".<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>They call this democratic, but in fact it is a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>dictatorship. In a democracy I can stay silent if I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>want. When everyone is obliged to speak that is not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>democratic. This can be a "rules' dictatorship"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(created by the rules previously defined,) a "leader's<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>dictatorship" (the leader(s) imposes that everyone<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>must speak), or even a more interesting type - a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"majority's dictatorship" (where the rule is created<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>at the moment by the majority).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Apart from claiming to be democratic, this type of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>groups/sessions also claim that they are following<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"good principles". The two I have heard more often are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"appreciation" (like in "appreciative inquiry") and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"dialog".<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Democracy (and Open Space) are made of dialogs AND of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>discussions. If one suppresses discussion and impose<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>dialog (as in "everyone must be nice to each other and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>hear the other with appreciation") then there is no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>democracy and no open space, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Apart from the fact that there are some people that I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>don't want to hear with appreciation (say, Bush, to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>give only one example) the point is even more strange.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Playing the appreciative game" (an expression I have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>created just know) is only one form of "playing games"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>- and that is the essence of Argyris and Schon's Model<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>1.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>If, in a meeting or organization, one imposes dialog<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>and appreciation, then a close session or organization<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>will come to place.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Artur<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>PS: I never heard to call this "circle" and even less<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Open Space. But I would not be too surprised if some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>would call that. I have already referred to a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>respectable group of practitioners of "Communities of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Practice", USA based, that not long ago claimed that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>they had used "Open Space" (OST) in a meeting because:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they assembled in a circle<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they gave participants the opportunity to ADD issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>to a large group of issues pre-prepared by the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>organizers<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>- they divided the large group in small groups to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>discuss those issues (by choice of the organizers, if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I recall well - but I recall well that there was no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>reference to "the law" - people were not expected to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>leave their group! That would not be considered<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>"appreciative" to the other group members, I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>suspect...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>But don't worry about what some people do "in your<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>name", Harrison. You can always remember what some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>have done (and are doing) in His name. And at least<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>about you I know that you exists - something I am not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>prepared to say about the Other...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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