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<DIV>Hi Harrison,</DIV>
<DIV>I answered to Raffi's questions about what are the benefits of FSC vs OS
for me... but next meeting will be again OS for Rotary as there would be about
100 people, firstly the presidents-elect (presidents to be in a new Rotary year
which will start on the 1st of July. And you know already, that our District
5010 is Alaska(US), Yukon(CA), and the 2/3 of Russia - Siberia and Far East (of
Russia), so it will be "Questions and opportunities for Russian Rotary in the
nearest futrure" as this year will be a 100 year aniversary of Rotary. Do you
know any other organization, which existed 100 years and in which every year ALL
leaders are changed? Starting from the President of Rotary International with
the head quarter in Chicago, Il, and then to the governours of the districts and
Rotary club presidents...</DIV>
<DIV>I would never believe it if I did not join Rotary. And here ... a lack of
leaders skills in democratic way of leading the volunteers in Russia - is a
separate chapter of my future book (if I write some at last...). Every year new
president is saying: It is my year, don't listen to him/her - he/she is not a
president any more..., yes, some clubs are very succesful, some are always in
turbulence, but the question here is not in the Rotary, ...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>people can not talk, and sometimes future search gives them opportunity to
go through past, present and desired future.. which is hard to imagine for some
people. they do no what they don't want but to put in a positive way and draw
the picture of the desired future in some concrete forms - hard...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and I was just from the FSC Learning Exchange workshop, so I really did
retell all the nice stories about my learnings and meeting nice people... not
that I forgot about OS, but thank you for posting your letter, Raffi, and you,
Harrison, for you deep thoughts again... as I do try to work with OS every time
I can, and that will be opportunity to work again... and I will try the Michael
Pannwitz idea (as it just happened like this - to have a break before planning
session for lunch) as we shall have time for work on the issues and
opportunities from 11:30 a.m. to 2 p.m., than lunch (we will try to keep it
shorter... ) and then the planning session, which is usually supposed to be on
the next day, but there will be no next day... so it will be time from 2:45 to
4:30, from which I should take off some half an hour for closing session, but
still there will be another half an hour for analyses of the results for some
good leaders and thinkers in Siberian Rotary, who I hope will speak to people
interactively and not autoritatively.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>so we are moving, slowly but in the direction of learning hearing and
listening, though some people are saying - OS? again? and others: what is it?
how wonderful! I thought I knew everything in types of meeting and this is a new
one... so le'ts see what will happen again. OS in organizations works more
concretely, but Rotary is a volunteer organization, where everybody came from
usually succesful business as they need to pay a Rotary fee...but still a new
feeling of being volunteer needs to be learned. Especially it is difficult for
leaders - they can not just fire people, they need to learn their motivations
(which are usually hired) and learn how to lead without leading.... just asking
what people would like to do. People don't trust each other, don't talk, can not
be open (there is always somebody who tries to hide behind the column and not
seeting in a circle... and so on.... ), but some - just feels themselves as fish
in a water as we say....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ok, looking forward to hearing from you soon</DIV>
<DIV>elena</DIV>
<DIV>president of the Rotary club Novosibirsk-Akademgorodok 2003-04</DIV>
<DIV>Governour 5010 Assistant in West Siberia 2004-05</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>sorry for the long letter again</DIV>
<DIV>best wishes</DIV>
<DIV>elena</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 29, 2004 10:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: meeting with a Russian
colleague and more (thoughts on OS's limitations; getting into consulting
work)</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Raffi – Per usual,
there is a lot of good stuff here. And it is good to hear that you and Elena
have hooked up. Should you see her again, tell her we have missed her on
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN
style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OSLIST</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. Her preference for
Future Search in the Russian context is something she has shared before, so it
does not come as a surprise, nor would I question her preference or her
experience – but I am curious. This is not about OS vs FS – indeed, I have
infinite respect for Marv Weisbord and the FS crowd. However, if it is true
that FS “works better in the Russian context” we have a very interesting
cultural discriminator. A sort of litmus paper test of some sort. Briefly put
– Are there some cultures where Open Space doesn’t work? And if there were, I
think we might learn some useful things about culture, cultures, and Open
Space. But of course, we would need to be quite precise about what we meant
when we said “worked.”</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would suppose that
there are at least three levels of “worked.” 1) The process worked formally –
people sat in a circle, created and agenda, and formed work groups. . .) 2)
The process worked experientially – people became engaged, issues were
seriously discussed, “useful” things happened (minds were changed, ideas were
generated, projects initiated/terminated, etc.) 3) The process worked over
time – there was some perceptible, continuing impact. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In my personal
experience, I have never seen an instance where Open Space failed to “work” at
the first and second levels – no matter the group involved, the issue under
discussion, or the cultural context. Now obviously, my experience is limited,
and my perception doubtless biased -- but that has been my experience. It is
absolutely true that I have never had the privilege of opening space in
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN
style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Russia</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, but I have done just
that in what I think are similar cultural environments, including parts of the
old </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN
style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">USSR</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. The truly interesting
thing to me is that over the almost 20 years of Opening Space, I have never
been able to identify any significant difference of group performance
regardless of culture, ethnicity, economics, education, national origin, or
any other variable that I can think of. I have, of course, heard of instances
where it was reported that Open Space did not “work” as advertised, but in
every instance where I was able to dig deeper, it turned out that the problem
wasn’t Open Space, but rather the way it was done. The most usual offenders
were those situations where it was decided to try “a little Open Space.”
Typically this meant “doing Open Space” in a one hour time slot in the midst
of a formal conference. Another example would be when it was decided to
“demonstrate Open Space.” In those cases an arbitrary theme (or no theme at
all) was announced, people sat in a circle, and nothing (or little) happened.
Typical reactions of participants was something like “It that all there is?”
And the reason, of course was that there was no passion and no responsibility
– and therefore nothing moved. Anyhow, that has been my experience, and it
would be great to have lot more experiences. Personally, I would love to hear
about some situation where all the conditions were met (real issue, lots of
diversity, complexity, conflict – and a decision time of yesterday), the
process was followed (sit in a circle, create bulletin board . . ) and the
facilitator got out of the way – and the whole thing just went nowhere. A case
book of such instances could teach us a mountain of good stuff.
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And then we come to
Level 3 “working.” Genuine answers here are hard to come by – not only for
Open Space, but for any other approach as well. To really get an answer here
we would need long term studies, but even if we had them, I am not sure that
the changing variables of the environment would not be such that real
certainty would be denied. However, it is interesting that after 20 years,
Open Space is still around, and its use seems to be growing. This, despite the
fact that OS flies in the face of just about every theoretical and practical
principle of organizational behavior – at least all the mainline ones. Briefly
put, Open Space cannot work – but it seems to. So there you
are.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the end of the day,
the choice of method (OS, FS, Real Time Strategic Change, etc) is dependant (I
think) on </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At least three factors
1) The situation (when the space is already closed – don’t use Open Space) 2)
Client preference – What does the client feel comfortable with? 3) Facilitator
preference (what does the facilitator feel comfortable with?). Client and
Facilitator preferences are not unimportant! And certainly should never be
contravened. Doing an Open Space by force, simply does not make
it!</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So there are some
thoughts Raffi. I guess you will have to pick you pathway any way you can. On
the face of it, putting your faith in the Open Space basket as a young
consultant is probably the worst thing you could do. Since it organizes so
quickly and you do so little, billable hours go down quickly. Of course all
that implies that you were able to “sell” an Open Space – which is a doubtful
undertaking. Who on earth would hire an expert to do something that any fool
with a good head and a good heart could do all by themselves? Everybody knows
that really good interventions have to be complex, confusing, hard to do, and
take a long time. Open Space is really hard on the wallet. So my advice,
Raffi, is get another gig. And should you ever get hooked, I take no
responsibility. Just remember you were warned.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Raffi
Aftandelian<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday,
May 29, 2004 1:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">OSLIST</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> meeting with a Russian colleague
and more (thoughts on OS's limitations; getting into consulting
work)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"> [OS'rs! I
don't think this made it's way to the digest; my apologies if you've already
seen it]</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">Dear
OpenSpacers,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I had the
fortune the other day of meeting up briefly with Lena Marchuk in Moscow. This
is a real treat because the distance between Moscow and Novosibirsk (where she
is from) is essentially the same distance as between Moscow and London. Far
away. She had just come from the FS Learning Exchange.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">It was a chance
to reconnect and also to share experiences and to be mentored by her in Future
Search (FS), which I hope to conduct some day and also. And it was a
chance to be mentored in Open Space. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">Lena spoke
of her preference for using FS (she has conducted minimum 10
such conferences) over OS (of course she uses OS during the action planning at
an FS) -as a large group intervention tool - in the Russian context. She
frames the global givens, so to speak, that Russians (speaking generally)
haven't had an experience of democracy yet. And an FS provides this
experience. And curiously, she sees that FS's in Russia for the most part
don't necessarily lead to action planning and the like. The whole notion of
goal-setting, she noted, virtually leads to people drawing a blank look. It is
too bad Lena and I didn't have more time so that she could elaborate on this
thought because I suspect there's much more behind it. Now this may be less
true when doing an FS/OS in a large town. Much of her work, as I understand,
is conducted in provincial centers in Siberia where maybe that kind of linear
thinking -- goal setting, making action plans-- hasn't filtered to.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">She sees the
value of FS in Russia in, first of all, creating dialog, community, building
connections. As I understood her, before even thinking about creating action
plans for the future, people need to learn a whole new way of being together.
They have a true experience of democracy. They see that totally different
people can be together in a constructive way. In one sense of the
metaphor, an FS is not about planting the seeds for change,
but rather working the soil so that seeds can be planted at a later point.
And, to extrapolate, this is a very important result. That Maybe this is true
of OS here, too.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I liked a
Yakutian (in Siberia) joke that Lena told me (as I recall it). "The difference
between the East and West: "The Westerner says: "Ok, so what are the results?"
The Easterner says, "Notice the process." The Russian says, "I'd like to
say a toast to the process we are using so that we may achieve
results."</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">It is too bad
we didn't have time to hear more about why OS doesn't necessarily provide that
in her opinion. FS's plus is that it provides a structure to develop a picture
of the past, present, future. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">
********</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">A few days ago
I had the fortune of speaking to a mentor in social change work (since I
haven't checked out with him-- in contrast to the message with Lena, where I
did check out with her before posting-- somebody I'd been trying to arrange a
phone conversation with for 1 1/2 years (!). I am thinking more about my
life/work plans, and want to consult with him. I am getting my start in
consulting work, yet don't have that clear vision of where I am going. I was
very interested in seeing his read on OS and FS. OS, in his opinion, is a
tool. And it's oversold. Yes, it can be valuable, but it's one of many tools.
But, if I am going to be an OD consultant (and I am not sure I would want to
describe myself that way), for one thing I would need to have a more varied
toolbag. He would never want to hire an OD (organizational development)
consultant with only one tool: OS. And, in his book, anyone who is an OD
consultant does need to get management experience, to have acquired the body
of experience/knowledge of a manager. This way a potential client is likely to
understand what the client is going through, and is less apt to be in the
clouds. Your thoughts?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">In other words,
if the only tool (OD) I have is a hammer, I'm apt to see every problem as a
nail. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">And yet
curiously, he saw as a potential life/work path to totally get into OS and
achieve excellence in it. I think the contradiction here is a surface one.
Because OS's potential is not just in OD work, to beat a dead horse. It has a
myriad of applications. I am fascinated, for example, by its potential as a
career/life planning tool. I am curious if there are folks who use it in this
way as paid/unpaid work (as a career counselor/personal coach).
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I also asked
him about OS being a tool for social change. Again, yes, it is one of many
tools. And I shouldn't expect to get rich off of OS on this
score.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">This talk put
me in my "discomfort zone." I realized how much more thinking I need to do
before going on. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I would be
curious as to how people got in to consulting work. Maybe this is something
people may be uncomfortable sharing so openly, even offlist.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">With lotsa
questions and sitting with them,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">(trying to)
trust that my background/subconscious inner-OS program will find the
answers,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">raffi</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>*
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