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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Raffi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>just do it... OS is the great technology and I use it with my
great love...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>you can not solve the problems of people untill they start to
solve them themselves...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>just do what you can and how you can help, and the 'holding
the space' is what sometimes people need though... they don't feel you are
making the great deal...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>don't worry, be happy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>best wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>elena</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=raffi@pochtamt.ru href="mailto:raffi@pochtamt.ru">Raffi
Aftandelian</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 30, 2004 6:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: speaking with Lena Marchuk
and more</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Cyr" size=2>Dear Harrison, Lena, and anyone else who
has survived (like me!) scrolling through lots of html (aargh!) in their
OSlist message,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thank you for your replies. For me, there are several ways
to reach the unspeakable, as Tova Averbuch put it. What we as a
group/community/organization want to achieve. It is hard for me to fathom that
OS is THE way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>On a gut level, I know that offering OS to organizations is
part of my path, not the whole path. And my questions, doubts about OS help
bring me to a more nuanced and careful yet passionate and interested place (in
my attitude towards the technology).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I think it is hard to say at this point if OS "works" or
doesn't work here in Russia. While a lot of different people use OS, there
isn't yet a virtual community of Russian-speaking OS'ers. We had a listserv;
and Elena liked my nickname for us: "the silent community". That was because
no one posted. I attribute the non-posting and non-existence of a
Russian-speaking OS community -- real or virtual-- mostly to a lack of trust
overall in the former Soviet Union. It is hard for me not to have judgement
about this, because I have essentially chosen to make Russia my home. Maybe at
some point I'll want to go back to what I call Bushastan (hence its citizens
are Bushastanis, pardon the phrase). So, I think the verdict is out. One of
the values of OS and FS here, I think, is that these approaches build up
that key ingredient between people: trust. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>In terms of OS working (while all the pre-work conditions
you describe happen), that's an important point. Risking making a
generalization, I think that level of thoroughness does not happen. In other
words, I work really hard with clients so that these conditions (doing the
preparation work fully) are observed and it is rare that I feel it has been
done adequately.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>But I do think there may be something to OS being "oversold"
as a mentor and colleague put it. I am not sure I can develop the thought. As
an analogy, I think of NLP. Now, I have never been trained in NLP, but I have
read a number of books by its "founders" and have a friend and colleague who
consciously uses NLP as an English teacher and interpreter. Initially, the NLP
crowd poo-poo'd other therapeutic approaches, specifically humanistic ones.
That therapists kept clients for years dealing with problems that could be
solved in a single session. Now that may have true, but NLP in psychotherapy
is not the answer to everything. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And I am not sure OS is the answer to everything even when
the basic conditions- presence of passion, space "open", etc.- are met. But I
am loving the exploration for now and I do it with heart!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Cyr" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Cyr" size=2>On a side note, is there any way of setting
up receiving the OSlist digest so that I just get text and no html code?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Raffi</FONT></DIV>* *
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