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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally I think OS is the most
undersold method on the planet- but then since space and open are as free as
air, sold is an odd adjective to scale this large change method with <span
class=GramE>( I</span> can think of 95% of management methods that are in the
opposite box of not just oversold but ruining the globe at the moment –
so I feel a bit <span class=SpellE>biassed</span>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have listed another 19 most undersold
systemic change methods for sustainable organisation in my gallery:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.valuetrue.com/home/gallery.cfm">http://www.valuetrue.com/home/gallery.cfm</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This intended to be an open competition;
if something ever knocks open space off the top spot, well I’ll be jolly
happy to try and spread that worldwide as fast as possible to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, there is a different issue which
seems to me to do with a couple of things:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-there are various contextual uses of open
space; some may not be as core to its brilliance as others<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-depending on whether all the elements of open
space are coordinated, I believe we could say ability to facilitate open space
goes through at least 12 grades – I really think it would be inadvisable
to stage your first open space on a football ground with 2000 people, even
though the method won’t stop you…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris Macrae <a
href="mailto:wcbn007@easynet.co.uk">wcbn007@easynet.co.uk</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Raffi Aftandelian<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="5" Day="30" Year="2004"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>30 May
2004</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="12" Minute="45"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>12:45</span></font></st1:time><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: speaking with Lena
Marchuk and more</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Arial CYR"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial CYR"'>Dear Harrison, Lena, and
anyone else who has survived (like me!) scrolling through lots of html (aargh!)
in their OSlist message,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you for your
replies. For me, there are several ways to reach the unspeakable, as Tova
Averbuch put it. What we as a group/community/organization want to achieve. It
is hard for me to fathom that OS is THE way.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On a gut level, I know
that offering OS to organizations is part of my path, not the whole path. And
my questions, doubts about OS help bring me to a more nuanced and careful yet
passionate and interested place (in my attitude towards the technology).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I think it is hard to say
at this point if OS "works" or doesn't work here in Russia. While a
lot of different people use OS, there isn't yet a virtual community of
Russian-speaking OS'ers. We had a listserv; and Elena liked my nickname for us:
"the silent community". That was because no one posted. I attribute
the non-posting and non-existence of a Russian-speaking OS community -- real or
virtual-- mostly to a lack of trust overall in the former Soviet Union. It is
hard for me not to have judgement about this, because I have essentially chosen
to make Russia my home. Maybe at some point I'll want to go back to what I call
Bushastan (hence its citizens are Bushastanis, pardon the phrase). So, I think
the verdict is out. One of the values of OS and FS here, I think, is that these
approaches build up that key ingredient between people: trust. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In terms of OS working
(while all the pre-work conditions you describe happen), that's an important
point. Risking making a generalization, I think that level of thoroughness does
not happen. In other words, I work really hard with clients so that these
conditions (doing the preparation work fully) are observed and it is rare that
I feel it has been done adequately.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>But I do think there may
be something to OS being "oversold" as a mentor and colleague put it.
I am not sure I can develop the thought. As an analogy, I think of NLP. Now, I
have never been trained in NLP, but I have read a number of books by its
"founders" and have a friend and colleague who consciously uses NLP
as an English teacher and interpreter. Initially, the NLP crowd poo-poo'd other
therapeutic approaches, specifically humanistic ones. That therapists kept
clients for years dealing with problems that could be solved in a single
session. Now that may have true, but NLP in psychotherapy is not the answer to
everything. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And I am not sure OS is
the answer to everything even when the basic conditions- presence of passion,
space "open", etc.- are met. But I am loving the exploration for now
and I do it with heart!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face="Arial CYR"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial CYR"'>On a side note, is there any
way of setting up receiving the OSlist digest so that I just get text and no
html code? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Raffi</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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