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<DIV>yes, Harrison, I agree with you in all (looks like) aspects and I really am
going to do what you've said - to try to think of opportunities for Rotary.
Rotary is not the only subject I meen in my previous letter, Rotary is just the
more active people who are also specialists and business men who supposed to be
succesful as they are ready to pay some fee and give donations to the society
and to the less fotunate people. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and still they are mostly from business which is still working on
authoritarian principle: As we say "You is a boss, and I'm is a fool".... and
even if they reconvein people, they don't say everything they think and never
anything they feel... as it is not used to talk and even think about feeling
though feelings are what is touching and hurting us mostly...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>well, I have some people in MY club who refused to seat in the circle and
prefer to seat outside it at the tables. And I'm sure that they will be behaving
the same on the meeting, just on purpose... but I know other people and even
club who is using OS for their planning meeting this rotarian year and see how
people enjoy the 'legalization' of the process of asking needed questions from
people who have some experience... as the leaders are changed and need to be
taught somehow.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ok, moving</DIV>
<DIV>I'm glad that Putin is saying about 'free citizens' in a civil society, so
it just great. How to do this? nobody knows, so OS is just a form to try to came
to dialogue...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and yes, we shall try to speak about future.</DIV>
<DIV>what I also like on FSC Learning Exchange - not because of the method only,
but because of people that there were some wrom Sweden who spoke about
discussion of what world we want for us, and what we can do for that...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thank you for your reminding and saying just what I need!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and I would be very happy to meet you one day, but need some rest as my
trip to Sweden was ... through US, though to it western part as I was sponsored
to go to a Rotary District conference which was in Fairbanks in Alaska, so I
visited again California, made a trip by bus (learning) to LA to get my visa to
Sweden....and then coming after 12 hours of flight from US at 7pm, need to go to
Stockholm by 8:50 am flight....a little bit challenging, looks like a jumping
frog for me......but as there were some people wanting to see me there and
helped me to do this... well, I tried and think that may be in a couple of month
I will be able to visit East Coast of US. how do you think?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>OK, best wishes and good luck</DIV>
<DIV>elena</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 30, 2004 4:50 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: meeting with a Russian
colleague and more (thoughts on OS's limitations; getting into consulting
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Elena – what a treat!
And so fast!! We really have been missing you here, so it is just wonderful
that you could show up. As for the Rotary folks, I know some of them quite
well, and think very highly of them and the work they do. And I certainly can
see where Future Search can be of real benefit to people who need to think
about a future they would like to have. However, as I have said on several
occasions to Marv Weisbord – I think he is working just too hard. To be sure,
you can invite people to explore their past, present and desired future – and
it appears as a nice, comfortable linear sequence. I find, however, that if
you invite people to explore their passions (what they care about) and
expectations (what they hope for) – they will inevitably go through the past
(all the things that didn’t work and a few that did), the present (how they
are feeling at the moment) – and then it is own to the future, which in fact
they are creating even as they speak. Something like – What are the issues and
opportunities for building a life we can love? Or something. Anyhow, it is
really great to hear from you and CONGRATULATIONS on your presidency – And
when you get done with Rotary, please come to the </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">United
States</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN
style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. We could use your help! Some folks
over here have forgotten totally about Democracy, ethical actions, good
behavior, and the like.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Elena A.
Marchuk<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, May
29, 2004 1:41 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: meeting with a Russian
colleague and more (thoughts on OS's limitations; getting into consulting
work)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi Harrison,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I answered to Raffi's questions about
what are the benefits of FSC vs OS for me... but next meeting will be again OS
for Rotary as there would be about 100 people, firstly the presidents-elect
(presidents to be in a new Rotary year which will start on the 1st of July.
And you know already, that our District 5010 is Alaska(US), Yukon(CA), and the
2/3 of Russia - Siberia and Far East (of Russia), so it will be "Questions and
opportunities for Russian Rotary in the nearest futrure" as this year will be
a 100 year aniversary of Rotary. Do you know any other organization, which
existed 100 years and in which every year ALL leaders are changed? Starting
from the President of Rotary International with the head quarter in Chicago,
Il, and then to the governours of the districts and Rotary club
presidents...</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would never believe it if I did not
join Rotary. And here ... a lack of leaders skills in democratic way of
leading the volunteers in Russia - is a separate chapter of my future book (if
I write some at last...). Every year new president is saying: It is my year,
don't listen to him/her - he/she is not a president any more..., yes, some
clubs are very succesful, some are always in turbulence, but the question here
is not in the Rotary, ...</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">people can not talk, and sometimes future
search gives them opportunity to go through past, present and desired future..
which is hard to imagine for some people. they do no what they don't want but
to put in a positive way and draw the picture of the desired future in some
concrete forms - hard...</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">and I was just from the FSC Learning
Exchange workshop, so I really did retell all the nice stories about my
learnings and meeting nice people... not that I forgot about OS, but thank you
for posting your letter, Raffi, and you, Harrison, for you deep thoughts
again... as I do try to work with OS every time I can, and that will be
opportunity to work again... and I will try the Michael Pannwitz idea (as it
just happened like this - to have a break before planning session for lunch)
as we shall have time for work on the issues and opportunities from 11:30 a.m.
to 2 p.m., than lunch (we will try to keep it shorter... ) and then the
planning session, which is usually supposed to be on the next day, but there
will be no next day... so it will be time from 2:45 to 4:30, from which I
should take off some half an hour for closing session, but still there will be
another half an hour for analyses of the results for some good leaders and
thinkers in Siberian Rotary, who I hope will speak to people interactively and
not autoritatively.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">so we are moving, slowly but in the
direction of learning hearing and listening, though some people are saying -
OS? again? and others: what is it? how wonderful! I thought I knew everything
in types of meeting and this is a new one... so le'ts see what will happen
again. OS in organizations works more concretely, but Rotary is a volunteer
organization, where everybody came from usually succesful business as they
need to pay a Rotary fee...but still a new feeling of being volunteer needs to
be learned. Especially it is difficult for leaders - they can not just fire
people, they need to learn their motivations (which are usually hired) and
learn how to lead without leading.... just asking what people would like to
do. People don't trust each other, don't talk, can not be open (there is
always somebody who tries to hide behind the column and not seeting in a
circle... and so on.... ), but some - just feels themselves as fish in a water
as we say....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">ok, looking forward to hearing from you
soon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">elena</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">president of the Rotary club
Novosibirsk-Akademgorodok 2003-04</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Governour 5010 Assistant in West Siberia
2004-05</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">sorry for the long letter
again</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">best wishes</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">elena</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
meeting with a Russian colleague and more (thoughts on OS's limitations;
getting into consulting work)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Raffi –
Per usual, there is a lot of good stuff here. And it is good to hear that
you and Elena have hooked up. Should you see her again, tell her we have
missed her on OSLIST. Her preference for Future Search in the Russian
context is something she has shared before, so it does not come as a
surprise, nor would I question her preference or her experience – but I am
curious. This is not about OS vs FS – indeed, I have infinite respect for
Marv Weisbord and the FS crowd. However, if it is true that FS “works better
in the Russian context” we have a very interesting cultural discriminator. A
sort of litmus paper test of some sort. Briefly put – Are there some
cultures where Open Space doesn’t work? And if there were, I think we might
learn some useful things about culture, cultures, and Open Space. But of
course, we would need to be quite precise about what we meant when we said
“worked.”</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would
suppose that there are at least three levels of “worked.” 1) The process
worked formally – people sat in a circle, created and agenda, and formed
work groups. . .) 2) The process worked experientially – people became
engaged, issues were seriously discussed, “useful” things happened (minds
were changed, ideas were generated, projects initiated/terminated, etc.) 3)
The process worked over time – there was some perceptible, continuing
impact. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In my
personal experience, I have never seen an instance where Open Space failed
to “work” at the first and second levels – no matter the group involved, the
issue under discussion, or the cultural context. Now obviously, my
experience is limited, and my perception doubtless biased -- but that has
been my experience. It is absolutely true that I have never had the
privilege of opening space in Russia, but I have done just that in what I
think are similar cultural environments, including parts of the old USSR.
The truly interesting thing to me is that over the almost 20 years of
Opening Space, I have never been able to identify any significant difference
of group performance regardless of culture, ethnicity, economics, education,
national origin, or any other variable that I can think of. I have, of
course, heard of instances where it was reported that Open Space did not
“work” as advertised, but in every instance where I was able to dig deeper,
it turned out that the problem wasn’t Open Space, but rather the way it was
done. The most usual offenders were those situations where it was decided to
try “a little Open Space.” Typically this meant “doing Open Space” in a one
hour time slot in the midst of a formal conference. Another example would be
when it was decided to “demonstrate Open Space.” In those cases an arbitrary
theme (or no theme at all) was announced, people sat in a circle, and
nothing (or little) happened. Typical reactions of participants was
something like “It that all there is?” And the reason, of course was that
there was no passion and no responsibility – and therefore nothing moved.
Anyhow, that has been my experience, and it would be great to have lot more
experiences. Personally, I would love to hear about some situation where all
the conditions were met (real issue, lots of diversity, complexity, conflict
– and a decision time of yesterday), the process was followed (sit in a
circle, create bulletin board . . ) and the facilitator got out of the way –
and the whole thing just went nowhere. A case book of such instances could
teach us a mountain of good stuff. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And
then we come to Level 3 “working.” Genuine answers here are hard to come by
– not only for Open Space, but for any other approach as well. To really get
an answer here we would need long term studies, but even if we had them, I
am not sure that the changing variables of the environment would not be such
that real certainty would be denied. However, it is interesting that after
20 years, Open Space is still around, and its use seems to be growing. This,
despite the fact that OS flies in the face of just about every theoretical
and practical principle of organizational behavior – at least all the
mainline ones. Briefly put, Open Space cannot work – but it seems to. So
there you are.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the
end of the day, the choice of method (OS, FS, Real Time Strategic Change,
etc) is dependant (I think) on </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At
least three factors 1) The situation (when the space is already closed –
don’t use Open Space) 2) Client preference – What does the client feel
comfortable with? 3) Facilitator preference (what does the facilitator feel
comfortable with?). Client and Facilitator preferences are not unimportant!
And certainly should never be contravened. Doing an Open Space by force,
simply does not make it!</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=red
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So
there are some thoughts Raffi. I guess you will have to pick you pathway any
way you can. On the face of it, putting your faith in the Open Space basket
as a young consultant is probably the worst thing you could do. Since it
organizes so quickly and you do so little, billable hours go down quickly.
Of course all that implies that you were able to “sell” an Open Space –
which is a doubtful undertaking. Who on earth would hire an expert to do
something that any fool with a good head and a good heart could do all by
themselves? Everybody knows that really good interventions have to be
complex, confusing, hard to do, and take a long time. Open Space is really
hard on the wallet. So my advice, Raffi, is get another gig. And should you
ever get hooked, I take no responsibility. Just remember you were
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Raffi
Aftandelian<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday,
May 29, 2004 1:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> meeting with a Russian
colleague and more (thoughts on OS's limitations; getting into consulting
work)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'"> [OS'rs!
I don't think this made it's way to the digest; my apologies if you've
already seen it]</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">Dear
OpenSpacers,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I had the
fortune the other day of meeting up briefly with Lena Marchuk in Moscow.
This is a real treat because the distance between Moscow and Novosibirsk
(where she is from) is essentially the same distance as between Moscow and
London. Far away. She had just come from the FS Learning
Exchange.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">It was a
chance to reconnect and also to share experiences and to be mentored by her
in Future Search (FS), which I hope to conduct some day and also. And it
was a chance to be mentored in Open Space.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">Lena spoke
of her preference for using FS (she has conducted minimum 10
such conferences) over OS (of course she uses OS during the action planning
at an FS) -as a large group intervention tool - in the Russian context. She
frames the global givens, so to speak, that Russians (speaking generally)
haven't had an experience of democracy yet. And an FS provides this
experience. And curiously, she sees that FS's in Russia for the most part
don't necessarily lead to action planning and the like. The whole notion of
goal-setting, she noted, virtually leads to people drawing a blank look. It
is too bad Lena and I didn't have more time so that she could elaborate on
this thought because I suspect there's much more behind it. Now this may be
less true when doing an FS/OS in a large town. Much of her work, as I
understand, is conducted in provincial centers in Siberia where maybe that
kind of linear thinking -- goal setting, making action plans-- hasn't
filtered to. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">She sees the
value of FS in Russia in, first of all, creating dialog, community, building
connections. As I understood her, before even thinking about creating action
plans for the future, people need to learn a whole new way of being
together. They have a true experience of democracy. They see that totally
different people can be together in a constructive way. In one sense of the
metaphor, an FS is not about planting the seeds for change,
but rather working the soil so that seeds can be planted at a later point.
And, to extrapolate, this is a very important result. That Maybe this is
true of OS here, too.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I liked a
Yakutian (in Siberia) joke that Lena told me (as I recall it). "The
difference between the East and West: "The Westerner says: "Ok, so what are
the results?" The Easterner says, "Notice the process." The Russian
says, "I'd like to say a toast to the process we are using so that we may
achieve results."</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">It is too bad
we didn't have time to hear more about why OS doesn't necessarily provide
that in her opinion. FS's plus is that it provides a structure to develop a
picture of the past, present, future. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">
********</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">A few days
ago I had the fortune of speaking to a mentor in social change work
(since I haven't checked out with him-- in contrast to the message with
Lena, where I did check out with her before posting-- somebody I'd been
trying to arrange a phone conversation with for 1 1/2 years (!). I am
thinking more about my life/work plans, and want to consult with him. I am
getting my start in consulting work, yet don't have that clear vision of
where I am going. I was very interested in seeing his read on OS and FS. OS,
in his opinion, is a tool. And it's oversold. Yes, it can be valuable, but
it's one of many tools. But, if I am going to be an OD consultant (and I am
not sure I would want to describe myself that way), for one thing I would
need to have a more varied toolbag. He would never want to hire an OD
(organizational development) consultant with only one tool: OS. And, in his
book, anyone who is an OD consultant does need to get management experience,
to have acquired the body of experience/knowledge of a manager. This way a
potential client is likely to understand what the client is going through,
and is less apt to be in the clouds. Your thoughts?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">In other
words, if the only tool (OD) I have is a hammer, I'm apt to see every
problem as a nail. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">And yet
curiously, he saw as a potential life/work path to totally get into OS and
achieve excellence in it. I think the contradiction here is a surface one.
Because OS's potential is not just in OD work, to beat a dead horse. It has
a myriad of applications. I am fascinated, for example, by its potential as
a career/life planning tool. I am curious if there are folks who use it in
this way as paid/unpaid work (as a career counselor/personal coach).
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I also asked
him about OS being a tool for social change. Again, yes, it is one of many
tools. And I shouldn't expect to get rich off of OS on this
score.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">This talk put
me in my "discomfort zone." I realized how much more thinking I need to do
before going on. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">I would be
curious as to how people got in to consulting work. Maybe this is something
people may be uncomfortable sharing so openly, even offlist.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">With lotsa
questions and sitting with them,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">(trying to)
trust that my background/subconscious inner-OS program will find the
answers,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Arial CYR"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial CYR'">raffi</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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