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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Eva</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I too was observing something similar, not
knowing the FIRO model but the stages of group dynamics as described in Scott
Peck's book on community building (CB) "The different
drum" which I (and we all) have experienced many times as participant
and facilitator of CB processes. All these stages of community
building are and have been present in this discussion - though this group is not
explicitly communicating on a and about the feeling level but more
cognitively. Still, in betweeen the lines it's all there - even we don't see
and hear each other and can only look at what remains of all the wonderful
people here behind their words on the screen... carried and held
also by the many silent ones and not only those 'on stage'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>~ Ilse</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=eva@epshumaninvest.se href="mailto:eva@epshumaninvest.se">Eva P
Svensson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 02, 2004 1:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> SV: Hierarchies, decision making
and a real-life example</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Hello
all of you wonderful people out there – and thank you for this list and all of
your contributions!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Peggy
- So many wise words and thoughts and an analyses of what is going on I think.
And I come to think of an group model to which I’m sure you’re all familiar
with – Will Schutz FIRO model (fundamental interpersonal relationship
orientation) – and I must test my thoughts with all of you out there. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(And since “I’m not that old” at the
list and I may be way out and this is not what is happening – or has happened
before – here comes my to cents – or två öre on
Swedish)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">It
seems to me that we can compare in a way what is happening on the list with a
sort of a group forming process à la FIRO where we are going from the first
rather safe space where we are “talking nice” to each other and exchanging
thoughts, ideas, questions and a lot of learning, the phase when we are asking
ourselves if we want to be in this group. From this phase to the second real
step in his model, the part where the participants are questioning each other
and as you said Peggy talking about hierarchies, who should be in charge and
why, - where conflicts are higher and occurs more often then in the first
phase?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I’m
definitely not an expert on FIRO and against my ideas (?) <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>must be that I think that in our
conversation on the list we share our thoughts and are very open about our
feelings but maybe not (up till now?) our feelings about each other?? ( so
maybe we have started from the end…?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I
don’t know, but FIRO came into my head when I was reading these entire
postings about givens, and who had done what and why. And in the mean time I
see this as a great learning for what could – and I’m sure most certainly
would - happen in an organisation that wants to evolve to a more open and
conscious open space organisation. Where more people will “be in charge” and
maybe there is less hierarchy and what will happen then? Even if we are clear
about the givens, I am sure that they will change, because things change
faster than we can react sometimes. And maybe what we see right now on the
list will happens in real life and then there will be no immediately help from
outside so they have to solve it themselves – as we have to do- this is our
(my) responsibility and it’s up to (me) us to learn and to move forward so
that our (my) understanding about the process and myself will deepened and be
a good contribution on my personal
journey.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=E-postmall17><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I
absolutely don’t mean to take away all the feelings that are exchanged here by
“going theoretic” but I felt that I needed to test my thoughts on you and see
if there are any responses.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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and peace from a sunny but chilly west side of Sweden where spring is
desperately trying to come through!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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