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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>No good dancer ever followed the Rule Book.
They may “know” it (rules) – but then they do their dance. I
am reminded of a Kpelle Chief (</span></font><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>West Africa</span></font><font color=red
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>) who, towards the end of
a major celebration where I was the “court photographer” told me it
was time to “Do my Dance.” I knew better than to ask him what that
dance might be. I simply went into the circle (whole village – 500 people)
and listened to the drums. I knew they would tell me. And they did. Turned out
to be a </span></font><font color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Charleston</span></font><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'> – which also turned out to be the
dance of an “Old, old Kpelle chief.” I have no further evidence,
but I am certain that the Chief was slaved, went to </span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>Charleston</span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>, (now </span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>South Carolina</span></font><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>) – and did
his dance. The rest is history. And that is the story. A true one, so far as I
am concerned.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> [mailto:</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Copeland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:30
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>OSLIST</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Hierarchy & where
authority comes from?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Right on Harrison!</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>You've struck a chord with me! I know plenty who know
the rule book and always take it seriously. This is their authority: THE RULES!</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>This has come to me of late. Where is my authority
coming from? I notice that when I'm not centered (my word) I look to
another or someone or something else to give my words or actions authority;
even approval. They don't stand alone as I'm not balanced at that moment. Yet,
when I am centered, I don't need to look to anything for my authority. I
just know! It's like I'm in tune with myself and the planet. Someone may
disagree with me and I can be open to that. But their opinion , approval of me
does not balance or unbalance me, whether positive or negative.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>This is that process I need to go through when opening
space. It's all about me. Opening space takes real guts and being centered
(Genuine contact with yourself!). Throw the rule book away, its like any work
of art, know the technique and then forget it and dance.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hierarchy seems to come back to that inability to
dance and is a poor substitute for authority. I struggle with this dilemma
everyday working for a bureaucratic organization. When someone has to resort to
"pulling rank" to gain authority then I know they are insecure/unbalanced.
</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I love when you said leadership comes from the one
with the passion Harrison. Not the one reading from the rule book. It would be
interesting to do a study on people's ability to dance. It's hard to imagine
people who follow rule books being good dancers.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mike Copeland </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: Harrison Owen [<a
href="mailto:hhowen@COMCAST.NET">mailto:hhowen@COMCAST.NET</a>] </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 11:22
a.m.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: Hierarchy</span></font>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>John -- on the basis of no hard data, carefully
collected and randomly, double blinded -- I would definitely answer YES. After
40+ years of being in a variety of organizations including the Church, Federal
Government (US) at what is known as "Senior Levels", Non-For profits
-- and for the last 23 years, sitting in as a consultant -- I KNOW that the
folks who really can make it in all dimensions are those who can effectively
"go with the flow", intuit the self-organizing informal organization,
know the "rule" book and never take it seriously -- except to
buttress a position previously taken -- in short real open spaceniks. . . these
folks rule. Just my opinion.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison</span></font> </p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison Owen</span></font> <br>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: OSLIST [<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of John Rapp</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:29
PM</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font>
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<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: Hierarchy</span></font>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I continue to be a major fan of OS, and have only one
major continuing question about its potential limitation: Are abilities that
cause/allow some to lead in OS well-correlated with the abilities required to
lead in a day-to-day enterprise? This question may be a bit similar to whether
great political candidates also make great political leaders. J.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: OSLIST [<a
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Harrison Owen</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:13
AM</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Hierarchy</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hierarchy for sure gets a bad rap. But as Michael
points out, hierarchies show up naturally, even -- and maybe most
especially -- in Open Space. Somebody has the passion, takes the
responsibility and some other folks come along. I don't know what else you
would call it. I call it Hierarchy. But -- and this is a BIG BUT -- it is a
natural hierarchy totally dependant upon the situation, the people involved and
the task they are undertaking. Change any of those variables and you will have
a new organization/hierarchy. I think the critical thing is that it is natural,
and therefore appropriate to that particular situation. The problem with
hierarchies that not only get the bad rap, but fully deserve that rap, is that
they are imposed, arbitrary, and un natural. I don't care that the CEO/MD was
appointed by the Board and gets the big bucks/yen/marks -- that does not make
him or her THE leaders. I think that went out with the Divine Right of Kings.
Or something.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>One other problem with Hierarchy may also be that it
is (unfortunately) an artifact of our graphics. When we draw our organizations
they always seem to come out looking like an inverted family tree. A real odd
tree with the branches in the ground and the trunk in the air. No wonder it
dies. You would too if you had your head 6 feet under! But there are other
graphics -- circles, spheres -- polycentric spheres in 3-D. Suppose you thought
of an organization as polycentric spheres all overlapping each other to some
degree. And at the center of each was the one with the passion who took the
responsibility. Now tell me which way is up -- and does it really matter?</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison</span></font> </p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Harrison Owen</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Phone 301-365-2093</span></font> </p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: OSLIST [<a
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On Behalf Of Pannwitz, Michael M</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:00
AM</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: Modesty & 5
Simultaneous Open Spaces</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear Larry,</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the "team" I referred to,
is the temporary organization created for the os-event (not part of the
sponsor) made up of assistants, helpers, facilitator, documentation
specialists, photographer etc.. This team has or rather gives itself a
hierarchy. Its been a great learning field for me to look at these small
"systems" that I am part of when involved with facilitating an open
space and to tinker with "appropriate" structure or hierarchy. One of
the principles that I try to stick to is the notion of the "fully present
and invisible" facilitator...recent feedback has indicated that sometimes
the hierarchy designed for the facilitation team actually supports this
"state" in the eyes of the participants...extending the "fully
presnt and invisible" mode to all team-members from the experience of the
observing participants. My assumption in general is that every system has a
hierarchy (more or less</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>appropriate) (Ken Wilbur reports of more than 200
hierarchies that he had collected in his search for a "fit",
eventually coming up with the concept of "holons"...noting that
"Even those memes that don't recognize hierarchies</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>- such as beige or purple - still have hierarchical
structures. Everybody seemed to have some sort of hierarchy, even those who
claimed they didn't.) The reason I am diving into this aspect: Where can I get
a more practical and existential learning or remembering experience than in my
actual praxis?</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>And:</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(referring to Joelles comments
about open space and hierarchy) I find it productive to look at
"hierarchy" as a "given" in all systems and organizations
without the popular stigma attached to the term (I looked it up in the
Unabridged and there it is almost exclusively documented with that negative
stigma attached). What would a system or organization look like in which
hierarchy is eliminated? Appears, it would no longer exist. Selforganization,
which surfaces especially visible in ost-events or when children play,
brings forth hierarchy and structure. Yes, of a kind that has no designer! And
of a kind that seems the appropriate vessel for creating "peace" out
of chaos, confusion and conflict. Ok, what kind of hierarchy is appropriate for
the " team" described at the beginning that "facilitates"
the ost-event? Or, what kind of hierarchy is appropriate for the subsystem in
the organization you are working with that has the role of "providing
support to tenants and staff as they work together to enable the local clusters
to make key decisionsen" Greetings from Berlin mmp</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:44:02 -0500, Larry Peterson
wrote:</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>Michael: You said:</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>></span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>"For me as facilitator
working with teams (often groups of 7 or more) </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>its proven to be useful to
consciously design the "hierarchy" for the </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>team and for the interaction of
the team with other subsystems </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>(catering, publishing, facility
management, the sponsors, child-care, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>sound technician,
press/radio/television, etc.) for the open </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>space-event (including
pre-meetings, setting up the os, the os itself, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>follow up)."</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>></span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>I'm not sure I understand what
you mean. I usually don't get involved </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>in "designing" the
hierarchy in systems I'm in.</span></font> </p>
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