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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Birgitt, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with you with all my forces and all my
soul,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes to all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>elena marchuk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>novosibirks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>russia</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>president of the Rotary club of
Novosibirsk-Akademgorodok, 2003-04, and being a president this year, I check all
my steps with principals of Rotary we joined, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1/ Is it the TRUTH?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2/ Is it FAIR to all concerned?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3/ Will it build GOODWILL and better
FRIENDSHIPs?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4/ Will it be BENEFICIAL to all
concerned?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>which I could think should be principals of many of
us if not of ALL in OS as a democratic way of doing things, and I even combine
two names and was honored to be named a pioneer in Opening Space for Rotary as I
think it is an OS organization, which existed 100 years (February 1905,
Chicago), when EVERY year all the leadership is rotated - The President of
Rotary International, the Governors of the Districts, The Presedents of the
Clubs, can you ever imagine that? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>again best wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=birgitt@MINDSPRING.COM href="mailto:birgitt@MINDSPRING.COM">Birgitt
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 9:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> what I am prepared to engage in
and what I am not prepared to engage in with my energy--the archives</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>Dear friends and
colleagues on the list,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I have done considerable
thinking and meditating about the existence of the archives of this list
and about the fact that the list is now open to being searchable through the
world wide web. It appears that I cannot do anything about the decisions made.
I am sad that we do not have a democratic process in this community for
decision making and I am sad that decisions are made on behalf of a community
by a few. Those decisions are then recorded in the FAQ's and captured as what
appear to be the 'givens' for this community. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I have read a number of
items regarding building community for list serves, the importance of
protection and safety for its members so that the community is a real
community. I am deeply saddened that through the opening of our list to world
wide web in the way that it has been opened now by a decision made by someone
who has the power to do this on our behalf without a decision making process
within the community, that in my opinion we no longer have a community. People
can access our conversations without ever taking the responsibility of
identifying themselves to us. There is no equal energy exchange between these
people and those who contribute to the list by participating in community
either as speakers or listening learners. Also, when our list archives are
accessible through the search engines on the www, our e-mail addresses are now
available to the public whether we want them to be or not. And as you all
know, this means that these addresses are now likely to be 'harvested' by the
spiders who 'harvest' e-mail addresses to send out spam mail to them. We have
been opened to this and without the community permission. From my perspective,
any belief that there is now a community is an illusion. I have invested a lot
of my time, energy, heart in contributions to the list for many years in my
passion about what I believed was an important community. I am so so sad at
this violation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>Some years ago, on the
list, I was made aware that the list had archives and it was happily announced
at the time that the archives could be accessed by anyone on the list. I was
fairly unfamiliar at the time with how all of this worked and I was deeply
disturbed that there were archives and I spoke against them at the time, only
to be told by Harrison and others that I was naive if I had assumed there were
no archives captured for the list. I noted for myself that everyone who
accessed the archives had to sign in to the list, and so I fell silent on the
subject thinking that in a very arms length way, these people, by signing in
to the list to get to the archives were also part of the list.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>Over time, most people on
the list who used my materials from the list also used great professional
courtesy and sent me a note about the intended use to get my permission,
knowing that once words are written, it is like a copyright on those words. I
was grateful to these people. I always gave permission to use my words but
sometimes I asked for a change to include more context so that my words kept
the same meaning that I intended them to have by being kept in the context in
which they were written. When my words have been used out of context by people
who did not have the professional courtesy of letting me know they were using
them and indeed publishing them, that was another situation and one that I
haven't known how to deal with.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>For me, the recent
announcement by Michael Herman that the archives are now open to be searchable
on the world wide web was one to which I immediately expressed my dismay. I
realize that I cannot change what is being done by people who have power on
our behalf. I don't even know who they are because they have never identified
themselves as our executive or some such. But, they appear to be the
decison makers. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I cannot do anything to
change this situation that has troubled me so much. I can however express my
own needs very very clearly so that they are not misunderstood. I have been a
significant contributor to this community through this list almost since it
began. I did this to support this community to the best of my ability and to
do my part in assisting with the building of this community to the best of my
ability. I didn't do this to assist in the creation of a data base that would
be used by researchers and others. My vested interest was in community support
and community strengthening. Archives of this list have been kept and it
has been without my permission to keep archives of my writing and they have
been kept without letting us know from the beginning that a 'given' of this
list was to have archives. Archives of this which includes my contributions
have now been opened to the worldwide web and its search engines without my
permission to use my contributions in this way. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I am hereby giving notice
to those who have made this decision that my contributions are copyrighted and
that anyone using my contributions to the world wide web in any paper,
article, thesis, or book that they are writing must request my permission to
do so. I am holding those who made my contributions available to the search
engines of the worldwide web accountable for my copyrighted material which I
made available for one purpose and is now being used for another purpose to
which I did not agree. I am deeply concerned that my materials be quoted by
noting the context in which they are written and not pulled apart piecemeal
creating the illusion that I have said or implied something that I did not say
or imply. I request that those on this list who have made the decision to put
make our archives available to the world wide web search engines identify
themselves to the list so that I know who the decision makers on this list are
and so that I know who to hold accountable.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I am also deeply
concerned that my sharing from the heart including sharing about my personal
life which I did a lot in the early days of this community has become
available to others for whom it was not written, to now read. In my
research, I have discovered that most designs for lists intended for community
never violate that community. I am not naive to have made assumptions that we
were a community and that our sharing was for our community. This is a clear
situation of 'givens' being made along the way,on behalf of a community, by a
few in power. Again, this information is copyrighted and permission must be
asked of me to publish this information in any way. Again, I am holding the
decision makers on this list who have made my contributions to this list
community available to search engines on the world wide web
accountable for the protection of my copyrighted
material.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>I have loved this list
community as an important part of my life for a long time. It is my hope that
there will be some understanding of what I am prepared to engage in and what I
am not prepared to engage in with my energy and that my decision about the
materials that I have submitted to the list over the years falls within my
definition for myself of what I am available for and what I am not. I am
available to contribute to this community.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500110902-29032004><FONT face=Arial>Birgitt
Williams</FONT></SPAN></DIV>* *
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