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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Birgitt</span></font></span><font
size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>
---<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>I respect you for telling your truth and naming
what feels right and what does not feel right to you.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Thank you for sharing it with us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>I can of course only speak for myself. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>So for myself I say, I welcome anyone who
wishes to use any words or thoughts I have shared, any materials I have created,
to use it in any way they wish.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I
trust that you all will use it with good intention, and I feel greatly
respected when you ask me and let me know how and in what context you will use
it.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>But if it can help you in any
way, it is yours to share.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I say
this to folks on this list and anyone who finds my words out there in internet
land through this list, my website, a handout from a workshop or anything else
that carries my written words.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>My <span class=SpellE>learnings</span> from </span></font><st1:place><font
size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><font
size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>’s
example (and it resonates with what I have always thought) is that information
is not to be owned, but to be shared, for the strength and betterment of us
all. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>So I for one am happy that our
conversations are available to anyone who may have an interest.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>At the same time I fully understand how you
may feel, <span class=SpellE>Birgitt</span>, as you may have had different
experiences than me in your life and in the world of people using or catching
your words out of context and so on.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>And I thank you for naming what you are comfortable with and what you
are not comfortable with. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I am
curious – did you actually go back and copyright your words in the
archive / conversations on this list to date?<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>That is important for me to know, should
I wish to quote you.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Of course I
would do you the honor of asking for your permission and showing you how I
might like to use your words – but if they (the great responses,
solutions and uses of the method you have shared) are <span class=SpellE>copywritten</span>,
I will need to learn more about such things to see how legally I may document
your approval for use and so on (thanks for sharing what you know about this
process).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>It is my understanding that Michael took the
initiative to broaden access as a service to a world learning about Open Space,
and I for one support the passion and personal responsibility that guided him –
the same thing that happens in an Open Space event that forms community and
cares for it. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>My reading of his
offer and action was that it was done out of love and generosity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Birgitt</span></font></span><font
size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>,
I honor you for speaking your <span class=GramE>truth,</span> and the courage
it can take to put such painful feelings into words.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Warmly,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;mso-no-proof:yes'>L i s a<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>H e f t<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'>Consultant, Facilitator,
Educator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'>O p e n i n g<span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'>Berkeley, California<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'>94705-1106<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>USA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'>+01 510 548-8449<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="mailto:lisaheft@pacbell.net"><font color=black><span style='color:black'>lisaheft@pacbell.net</span></font></a></span></font><span
style='mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Trebuchet MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="http://www.openingspace.net">www.openingspace.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Birgitt Williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:53
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> what I am prepared to
engage in and what I am not prepared to engage in with my energy--the archives</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear friends and colleagues on the
list,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have done considerable thinking
and meditating about the existence of the archives of this list and about
the fact that the list is now open to being searchable through the world wide
web. It appears that I cannot do anything about the decisions made. I am sad
that we do not have a democratic process in this community for decision making
and I am sad that decisions are made on behalf of a community by a few. Those
decisions are then recorded in the FAQ's and captured as what appear to be the
'givens' for this community. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have read a number of items
regarding building community for list serves, the importance of protection
and safety for its members so that the community is a real community. I am
deeply saddened that through the opening of our list to world wide web in the
way that it has been opened now by a decision made by someone who has the power
to do this on our behalf without a decision making process within the
community, that in my opinion we no longer have a community. People can access
our conversations without ever taking the responsibility of identifying
themselves to us. There is no equal energy exchange between these people and
those who contribute to the list by participating in community either as
speakers or listening learners. Also, when our list archives are accessible
through the search engines on the www, our e-mail addresses are now available
to the public whether we want them to be or not. And as you all know, this
means that these addresses are now likely to be 'harvested' by the spiders who
'harvest' e-mail addresses to send out spam mail to them. We have been opened
to this and without the community permission. From my perspective, any belief
that there is now a community is an illusion. I have invested a lot of my time,
energy, heart in contributions to the list for many years in my passion about
what I believed was an important community. I am so so sad at this violation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Some years ago, on the list, I was
made aware that the list had archives and it was happily announced at the time
that the archives could be accessed by anyone on the list. I was fairly
unfamiliar at the time with how all of this worked and I was deeply disturbed
that there were archives and I spoke against them at the time, only to be told
by Harrison and others that I was naive if I had assumed there were no archives
captured for the list. I noted for myself that everyone who accessed the
archives had to sign in to the list, and so I fell silent on the subject
thinking that in a very arms length way, these people, by signing in to the
list to get to the archives were also part of the list. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Over time, most people on the list
who used my materials from the list also used great professional courtesy and
sent me a note about the intended use to get my permission, knowing that once
words are written, it is like a copyright on those words. I was grateful to these
people. I always gave permission to use my words but sometimes I asked for a
change to include more context so that my words kept the same meaning that I
intended them to have by being kept in the context in which they were written.
When my words have been used out of context by people who did not have the
professional courtesy of letting me know they were using them and indeed
publishing them, that was another situation and one that I haven't known how to
deal with.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For me, the recent announcement by
Michael Herman that the archives are now open to be searchable on the world
wide web was one to which I immediately expressed my dismay. I realize that I
cannot change what is being done by people who have power on our behalf. I
don't even know who they are because they have never identified themselves as
our executive or some such. But, they appear to be the decison
makers. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I cannot do anything to change this
situation that has troubled me so much. I can however express my own needs very
very clearly so that they are not misunderstood. I have been a significant
contributor to this community through this list almost since it began. I did
this to support this community to the best of my ability and to do my part in
assisting with the building of this community to the best of my ability. I
didn't do this to assist in the creation of a data base that would be used by
researchers and others. My vested interest was in community support and
community strengthening. Archives of this list have been kept and it has
been without my permission to keep archives of my writing and they have been
kept without letting us know from the beginning that a 'given' of this list was
to have archives. Archives of this which includes my contributions have now
been opened to the worldwide web and its search engines without my permission
to use my contributions in this way. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am hereby giving notice to those
who have made this decision that my contributions are copyrighted and that
anyone using my contributions to the world wide web in any paper, article,
thesis, or book that they are writing must request my permission to do so. I am
holding those who made my contributions available to the search engines of the
worldwide web accountable for my copyrighted material which I made available
for one purpose and is now being used for another purpose to which I did not
agree. I am deeply concerned that my materials be quoted by noting the context
in which they are written and not pulled apart piecemeal creating the illusion
that I have said or implied something that I did not say or imply. I request
that those on this list who have made the decision to put make our archives
available to the world wide web search engines identify themselves to the list
so that I know who the decision makers on this list are and so that I know who
to hold accountable.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am also deeply concerned that my
sharing from the heart including sharing about my personal life which I did a
lot in the early days of this community has become available to others for whom
it was not written, to now read. In my research, I have discovered that
most designs for lists intended for community never violate that community. I
am not naive to have made assumptions that we were a community and that our
sharing was for our community. This is a clear situation of 'givens' being made
along the way,on behalf of a community, by a few in power. Again, this
information is copyrighted and permission must be asked of me to publish this
information in any way. Again, I am holding the decision makers on this list
who have made my contributions to this list community available to search
engines on the world wide web accountable for the protection
of my copyrighted material.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have loved this list community as
an important part of my life for a long time. It is my hope that there will be
some understanding of what I am prepared to engage in and what I am not
prepared to engage in with my energy and that my decision about the materials
that I have submitted to the list over the years falls within my definition for
myself of what I am available for and what I am not. I am available to
contribute to this community.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Birgitt Williams</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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